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UF has 3 fake trophys in Gainesville?
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:44 pm to parkjas2001
12 actually. 
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:45 pm to parkjas2001
again... i think we can make the distinction between resume's and who's actually the better football coach.
Fulmer's resume probably looks a little better... due in large part b/c of the 98 NC.... but that doesn't automatically mean he's the better coach.
Fulmer's resume probably looks a little better... due in large part b/c of the 98 NC.... but that doesn't automatically mean he's the better coach.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:45 pm to volfan30
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If you're at a big 6 school, yes
So the '11 bama/LSU game wasn't meaningful? The '12 atm/bama game wasn't meaningful? 08 bama/uga? etc. etc....? That's stupid.
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There is a post on your board that is comparing this UGA team to a Tennessee team that had 28 players drafted off it.
Why don't you try a little reading comprehension. I started that thread, and the point was to compare what UT's team/outlook was BEFORE the season, going INTO the season, to us. Specifically teh quesiton mark at quarterback.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:48 pm to parkjas2001
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One Play and AU wins the National Title last year.
If AU hadn't had a miracle against us, that wouldn't change how good of a coach gus is.
The PI call in teh osu/miami game doesn't change how good either of those teams were.
that's my point, how good richt is as a coach shouldn't have such a massive, wildly swinging opinion rest on a single play. The outcome of that play is the difference between this thread and "where does richt belong on the list of greatest SEC coaches in the last 30 years?"
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:48 pm to WG_Dawg
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Why are you just using 7 years?
I was showing an impressive run that Mark has yet to match. To your point, Phil has 6 in 16 years, Mark has 5 in 13.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:50 pm to parkjas2001
Fulmer. Won a natty AFTER Peyton Manning graduated.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:50 pm to parkjas2001
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I was showing an impressive run that Mark has yet to match
Richt finished in the top 10 6 times in his first 8 years as head coach.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:52 pm to lowspark12
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Fulmer's resume probably looks a little better... due in large part b/c of the 98 NC.... but that doesn't automatically mean he's the better coach.
True...I think time has an effect on what ppl remember. I think ppl down play Phils achievements bec it has been 5 years since he last coached.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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So the '11 bama/LSU game wasn't meaningful? The '12 atm/bama game wasn't meaningful? 08 bama/uga? etc. etc....? That's stupid.
As I said, if you are fine with 0 SEC titles since 05 then so am I.
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Why don't you try a little reading comprehension. I started that thread, and the point was to compare what UT's team/outlook was BEFORE the season, going INTO the season, to us. Specifically teh quesiton mark at quarterback.
That post really undersells the talent Tennessee had on the lines fwiw. Tennessee had two 10+ year NFL guys at DT and one at OT (all made pro bowls) and they don't even get mentions?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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Richt finished in the top 10 6 times in his first 8 years as head coach.
In the coaches yes. I chose the AP arbitratily.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:55 pm to parkjas2001
I don't think people are underselling Fulmer. He was not a great coach by any means. He was fired for a reason.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:55 pm to parkjas2001
I'm not downplaying it, his record speaks for itself. But it's a fact that UT only had 1 tough east game every year and potentially had 1 or 2 tough west games. Nobody in the west was consistently as good as now. Bama had 2 very good years in the 90s and then had a lot of average. LSU was trash. MSU was good once, ole miss was decent, arkansas was bleh, auburn had a few flashes.
Currently the east is FAR tougher than the 90s, wihtout a shadow of a doubt, and the west is as strong as it's ever been. We also have an OOC every year that although they are average, have still won their division and played in a BCS bowl.
The caliber of competition faced by richt and fulmer isn't even remotely comparable.
Currently the east is FAR tougher than the 90s, wihtout a shadow of a doubt, and the west is as strong as it's ever been. We also have an OOC every year that although they are average, have still won their division and played in a BCS bowl.
The caliber of competition faced by richt and fulmer isn't even remotely comparable.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:56 pm to parkjas2001
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I think ppl down play Phils achievements bec it has been 5 years since he last coached.
and because of his last 3 years. many people on this board are also too young to even remember Fulmer in the 90s and early 2000s. They just like to look at raw numbers and base their analysis on that. Honestly, at the end of the day, they're both very similar, with the only noticeable difference being a national title. Fulmer ran one of the best programs in the country for around 10 years. People trying to downplay that or an undefeated national title are either intentionally biased, ignorant, or both.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:57 pm to volfan30
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He was not a great coach by any means.
That is a shame that he is viewed so poorly by Vol fans.
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He was fired for a reason.
He won the East the year before he was fired so it was not bec he could not win.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:58 pm to volfan30
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As I said, if you are fine with 0 SEC titles since 05 then so am I.
Who said I'm fine with it? I want to win every game we ever play. I can't push the "win title" button and make it happen though.
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Tennessee had two 10+ year NFL guys at DT and one at OT (all made pro bowls) and they don't even get mentions?
I don't know enough abotu UT to say how good they were or weren't. There were a few guys I saw when looking at the roster that I recognized their name that went on to great things, but just because they are ON the roster doens't mean anything as it relates to their expecations GOING INTO the 98 season. Just because a guy is an NFL star doesn't mean anything going into his freshman season in college.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:58 pm to lsufball19
Fulmer inherited a well functioning machine and just upped the quality of player in it with elite recruiting. Once he got his natty he put it on cruise control and the program deteriorated because of it.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:59 pm to lsufball19
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because of his last 3 years.
Won the East and 10 games the year before he was fired so its not the end of his career that did it in for him. He won 5, 9, 10, and 5 games his last 4 years.
I don't see much difference between the two coaches.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 2:59 pm to parkjas2001
there may be some truth to that as well... my impression of fulmer was that he was great at assembling talent, but fell short of reaching full potential.
the number of NFLers -- and not just cup of coffee NFL guys... studs like Manning, Haynesworth, Witten, Little, Lewis, Henry, Wilson... the list goes on and on -- they produced during his tenure is staggering... but they managed to underacheive most years.
the number of NFLers -- and not just cup of coffee NFL guys... studs like Manning, Haynesworth, Witten, Little, Lewis, Henry, Wilson... the list goes on and on -- they produced during his tenure is staggering... but they managed to underacheive most years.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:00 pm to parkjas2001
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He won 5, 9, 10, and 5 games his last 4 years.
I don't see much difference between the two coaches.
Well Richt has never only won 5 games in a season. Much less done it twice.
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