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re: Best TE group in the history of CFB
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:57 pm to Dawg4Life47
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:57 pm to Dawg4Life47
Two dudes from mizzou a few years back
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Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:28 am to PanhandleSlim
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Kyle Pitts and whoever else
There is no argument that Pitts was a great player. But, Bowers in his freshman year had more yards and TDs than Pitts did in his last season....so if you go by statistics alone, Bowers is just as good with the opportunity to be better.
I would also make the argument that Bowers as as important to our offense as Pitts was to Florida's...and then Pitts had Trask and Bowers had/has Bennett. Bennett is good, but Trask was on another level.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:36 am to bisonduck
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Matavao and Washington at TE for Oregon would be a problem. I wouldn’t want him at a team on my schedule, especially one with one of the highest composite talent rankings. That’s just me though.
The problem for Oregon is even with the highest composite ranking they have not been able to capitalize on it. You have won the PAC twice, but even then you won it with 2-3 losses, and in 2020 y'all won the PAC 12 with a record of 4-3 and a conference record of 3-2. You'll need to show a lot more improvement and consistency to compete.
I like Lanning, though, so maybe he can get y'all over the hump.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:39 am to Peter167
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What would you say Bowers does better? He is a beast but Pitts looks like he was made on Madden create a player.
Bowers, as a freshman, had more yards and TDs than Pitts did as a Junior, and Pitts had Trask throwing to him while Bowers had Stetson Benentt.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 6:43 am to Dawg4Life47
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Gilbert, Bowers, Washington
In 15 games they had 1000 yards between them? Or Bowers had a great year, Gilbert quit on a second team in a row, and Washington blocked really well at times.
Is all this hype because of UGAs spring game?
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:24 am to DawgsLife
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There is no argument that Pitts was a great player. But, Bowers in his freshman year had more yards and TDs than Pitts did in his last season....so if you go by statistics alone, Bowers is just as good with the opportunity to be better. I would also make the argument that Bowers as as important to our offense as Pitts was to Florida's...and then Pitts had Trask and Bowers had/has Bennett. Bennett is good, but Trask was on another level.
Pitts last year was the covid year and played in half as many games as Bowers. Can’t believe some of you actually believe that bowers is better than Pitts.
Can he get there? Possibly
But it ain’t even close right now
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:30 am to DawgsLife
Washington needs to put on weight and move to OT. He is a devastating run blocker
Posted on 4/17/22 at 7:46 am to PanhandleSlim
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There is no argument that Pitts was a great player. But, Bowers in his freshman year had more yards and TDs than Pitts did in his last season....so if you go by statistics alone,
Bowers 56 882 (15.75) and 12 over 15 games
Pitts 43 770 (17.9) and 12 over 12 games.
Pitts vs an all SEC schedule with fewer games was statistically the better TE. And Pitts had an WR (Toney) that was targeted almost twice as much as Pitts whereas Bowers was the UGA passing O. If you forced them to swap teams Bowers stats stay the same and Pitts hits the portal because he doesn’t want to play for that noodle arm midget.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:12 am to Smokeyone
Bowers had Stetson Bennett throwing to him. / thread
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:31 am to PanhandleSlim
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But it ain’t even close right now
Lol
Posted on 4/17/22 at 1:59 pm to armtackledawg
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Washington needs to put on weight and move to OT. He is a devastating run blocker
That would be a tremendous amount of weight, though, don't you think? Didn't they say he weighs 265?
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:03 pm to PanhandleSlim
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Pitts last year was the covid year and played in half as many games as Bowers. Can’t believe some of you actually believe that bowers is better than Pitts.
I didn't say he is better. I said he is as good. I mean compare their freshmen years, if that's the direction you want to go in. Pitts didn't even start (I don't think) You want to compare a Junior that Dan Mullin built the offense around to a freshman that played in an offense that was stilted much more to the run. I am not saying Pitts wasn't great, but to dismiss Bowers out of hand is a huge mistake.
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But it ain’t even close right now
Not if you want to compare a freshman's stats to a juniors. Go freshman against freshman and see if it is close.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:06 pm to DawgsLife
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That would be a tremendous amount of weight, though, don't you think? Didn't they say he weighs 265?
30? In an SEC nutrition program. Not that bad.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:09 pm to DawgsLife
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The problem for Oregon is even with the highest composite ranking they have not been able to capitalize on it. You have won the PAC twice, but even then you won it with 2-3 losses, and in 2020 y'all won the PAC 12 with a record of 4-3 and a conference record of 3-2. You'll need to show a lot more improvement and consistency to compete. I like Lanning, though, so maybe he can get y'all over the hump.
Oregon didn’t have a 50% blue chip ratio until last year. Mario was working with Taggart and Helfrich recruits.
Helfrich and Taggart mismanaged the roster and Cristobal didn’t portal to fix it. He built it the right way.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:11 pm to Smokeyone
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Pitts 43 770 (17.9) and 12 over 12 games.
In fairness Pitts only played 8 games, not 12.
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Pitts vs an all SEC schedule with fewer games was statistically the better TE. And Pitts had an WR (Toney) that was targeted almost twice as much as Pitts whereas Bowers was the UGA passing O.
While true...Florida threw the ball a LOT more than georgia did. (Florida 473 Georgia 407....don't forget Florida threw the ball 66 times more than Georgia in 7 fewer games)
And Bowers being the Georgia passing offense means other teams could/should have been able to shut the passing game down easier.
quote:Hardly. Given the added targets Bowers gets a ton more yardage and TDs.
If you forced them to swap teams Bowers stats stay the same and Pitts hits the portal because he doesn’t want to play for that noodle arm midget.
Don't look now, but your bias is showing.
ETA
Your argument fails and I didn't even have to mention that Pitts was a Junior and Bowers was a true freshman.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:14 pm to bisonduck
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Oregon didn’t have a 50% blue chip ratio until last year. Mario was working with Taggart and Helfrich recruits.
Helfrich and Taggart mismanaged the roster and Cristobal didn’t portal to fix it. He built it the right way.
I mean you beat an Ohio State team that failed to win their conference, but could not even capitalize on a very weak PAC 12 conference. I'm not arguing that Oregon is not good. I am arguing that they need to develop more consistency. Cristobal could not get you over the hump. Maybe Lanning can. I hope so.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:16 pm to Smokeyone
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30? In an SEC nutrition program. Not that bad.
It is when you have been in the program for2 years already. He isn't starting from scratch. I imagine he has already replaced some bad weight with muscle. 30 LBS is a lot of weight.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:22 pm to Smokeyone
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Bowers 56 882 (15.75) and 12 over 15 games Pitts 43 770 (17.9) and 12 over 12 games.
That’s pretty damn close, and he did it with a major shoulder injury, plus losing his starting QB.
Thanks for disproving your point for me.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:36 pm to DawgsLife
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mean you beat an Ohio State team that failed to win their conference, but could not even capitalize on a very weak PAC 12 conference. I'm not arguing that Oregon is not good. I am arguing that they need to develop more consistency. Cristobal could not get you over the hump. Maybe Lanning can. I hope so.
Mario had a foot out the door at the end of last year. He had us in the top 10 with probably the worst starting qb at Oregon in the last 30 years.
Lanning has no excuse on the talent front.
Our class imploded when Cristobal left and Lanning just took it from 60ish to 13 with the addition of Conerly last week and Kyler Kasper today, who is reclassifying.
He also is working on a premier offensive tackle (portal) and can solidify the roster with another safety and corner in the portal.
There is absolutely no reason why he can’t have Oregon’s most talented roster ever next year. He will have a top 10 talented roster and a wide lead even over SC.
He has to develop and scheme better than Mario. Honestly, Cristobal was average there.
This post was edited on 4/17/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 4/17/22 at 2:36 pm to hubreb
Coffman and Rucker. One won the Mackey the other was a finalist
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