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re: Bama Ref Bias: Believe it now Aggies.....

Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
2683 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Alabama ranks 126 out 128 for opponent penalties. But carry on.


They do not believe or refuse to believe. It's got to be something.
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:42 pm to
SEC refs are worth 7-10 points a game for Bama. Maybe more. Think of all the drives stalled by questionable holding calls, all the Bama drives extended by phantom PI calls. It may be more like 10-14 points per game.

Nothing will ever be done until the other 15 chancellors demand the SEC HQ be moved out of Birmingham to a neutral site and no one who graduated from an SEC school be allowed to officiate games involving his alma mater or hire refs for the conference.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:43 pm to
I wasn't sucking arse nozzle. I swear I saw that last year Bama was the worst penalized on holding.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
31793 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:44 pm to
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They do not believe or refuse to believe. It's got to be something.
Well, when stats bear out the truth, they start talking about what happened years ago which somehow justifies the bleeding vaginas in their pants today.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:45 pm to
Office dont need to be moved. We have 6 votes for changes in hiring all bama grads etc to neutrals now. Just need a few more
Posted by Spaceball 1
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2010
613 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:45 pm to
I believe Bama has earned the benefit of the doubt. The Jordan rules.

I 100% despise Bama fans, at least those without the degree on the wall. but respect the heck out of the team.
Posted by 1loyalbamafan
alabama
Member since Mar 2015
2683 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:45 pm to
Katy, you won't ever be happy even if lsu wins every game 100 to zero.

You are the best kind of fan to beat in a close, almost, type of game. Never change.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24746 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:49 pm to
We're #126 out of 128 teams for opponents penalties. When teams play us they don't get called for squat.

#30 UM, #36 VU, #61 AU, #70 USC, #72 UT, #80 MSU, #85 aTm, #92 MO, #98 Ark, #109 UK, 110 GA, 112 LSU, 122 UF

13 SEC teams ahead of us.

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We're #36 for our own penalties.

#4 AU, #18 UK, #22 VU, #29 UM, #32 LSU, #33 Ark/GA, #46 USC, #54 UT, #69 aTm, #80 MSU, #88 MO, #116 UF

7 SEC teams ahead of us.

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Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:49 pm to
Yeah Mike Pereira NFL head of officiating for decades is well known LSU homer.


By Mike Pereira
Oct 26, 2014 at 1:00a ET
The SEC.

I think most of you know those letters stand for something special in college football.

The Southeastern Conference.

It has long been one of the best conferences in the country. From the players to the officials to commissioner Mike Slive.

But I’m not sure what those letters stand for anymore.

Something happened in the Alabama-Tennessee game Saturday night that has me irritated. Well, I actually passed irritated two weeks ago when I was hot about this happening in the Auburn-Mississippi State game. I’ve moved on to really pissed now.

The “this” I’m referring to is the abuse of the communications system used by the SEC.

Two weeks ago, the officials at the Auburn-Mississippi State game were noticeably talking to someone, somewhere over their communications system at Davis Wade Stadium, who gave them information to pick up a flag for intentional grounding. It was an absolute farce.

What happened Saturday night in Tennessee was just as obvious -- and just as bad. Here was the situation:

Tennessee had the ball, fourth-and-4 at the Tennessee 42-yard line with 7:20 left in the first quarter. Alabama led 13-0. The Vols’ Matt Darr punted the ball 48 yards and the Tide’s Cyrus Jones signaled for a fair catch and caught it. There was a personal foul called on the play.

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That’s when the Farce Part II commenced.

This play clearly demonstrated it happened again. From the time the ball was snapped for the punt until a decision was made by referee Matt Moore, 2:36 elapsed. During that time, you could obviously see the group of officials that had huddled were getting input from someone. Someone, somewhere, was giving them information on the personal foul penalty that was called a dead-ball foul on the kicking team.

What? Are you kidding me?

Two weeks ago, I asked the national coordinator of officials, Rogers Redding, who also happens to be the former coordinator of officials for the SEC, about this and he vehemently denied this process was taking place. He said the communications system was only for use of the officials on the field and no other person was on that system.

Bull.

Here’s the deal: I greatly respect the SEC. They have the strongest football conference in the country. They’ve had an incredible commissioner in Slive, who is retiring July 31, 2015. What Slive has done for the SEC -- and for the total landscape of college football -- is incredible. He’s had a great impact on the game.

But now I think it’s time to challenge the SEC’s credibility and integrity when it comes to officiating.

Some conferences have been allowed to experiment by using an eighth official on the field. I don’t particularly like it, but I understand it. The SEC also has an eighth official on one crew, as well as an alternate official who actually stands on the line of scrimmage. He’s also been given approval to give input on specific calls from the line of scrimmage, such as the quarterback being beyond or behind the line of scrimmage when he releases the pass.

But now it appears the SEC has someone that nobody else has -- a mystery man. I’m not sure where he is, but he’s providing information to the officials on the field. If the SEC denies it, they’re not telling the truth.

Here’s the solution: Put all of the conferences on microphones and let them talk to somebody upstairs. Get rid of replay. Let that person upstairs make decisions on everything. From face mask calls to pass interference to personal fouls, as they did in this case, and intentional grounding like they did two weeks ago in that Auburn-Mississippi State game.

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Does the SEC have its own set of rules? Yes. And it’s not right what they’re doing.

It was unacceptable in that Auburn-Mississippi State game -- and it was unacceptable in the Alabama-Tennessee game. If Slive condones this and Redding fails to investigate and stop it, then the SEC and the NCAA have a big problem in officiating. In my eyes, their officiating staff is losing their credibility.

It hurts me to challenge the integrity of officials -- it really does. When I think about it, I’m not challenging them as much as I’m challenging the integrity of the officiating department in the SEC for telling them to use this system this way when it’s not allowable by rule. The SEC doesn’t need any more advantages than it already has. They’re already the best. They should let their officials officiate with the same tools as the other officials in all of the other conferences.

They know about it, they’ve been asked about it, yet they continue to let it happen.

The SEC.

I liked those initials much better when they stood for something more.

By: Mike Pereira SEC CFB Tennessee Home
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Posted by the TUSK
In your head.
Member since Jul 2016
46 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:50 pm to
My favorite LSU/Bammer call was in Baton Rouge, 2000...

When the aforementioned SEC Officials overturned a terrible call (in Bama's favor) through use of the instant replay... a full 6 years before instant replay was enacted...

but rant on, my friend...
Posted by cyde
He gone
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Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Office dont need to be moved. We have 6 votes for changes in hiring all bama grads etc to neutrals now. Just need a few more
Good. Then you'll never have an excuse to lose again.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Oct 26, 2014 a

Had to go back 2 years to find something relevant
Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:52 pm to
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I feel bad for whatever NFL team drafted the next great Bama just. That GM will be getting fired



I'm sure he won't play near as bad as Greg Robinson.
Posted by cyde
He gone
Member since Nov 2005
31793 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:52 pm to
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We're #126 out of 128 teams for opponents penalties. When teams play us they don't get called for squat
Yeah, but didn't you hear about what them bamers did three years ago, and don't you see how it pertains to this year?
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:54 pm to
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TutHillTiger


What did the FBI say when you guys called last year?
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:58 pm to
I love these conspiracy theories.
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:58 pm to
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What did the FBI say when you guys called last year?

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44017 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:59 pm to
I don't know about any of that.
But I was raised to never make excuses; I try not to.
All you can do is play the game.
The rest usually takes care of itself.

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 10/23/16 at 2:59 pm to
The SEC is The New WWF

By Chris Warner

The SEC Riviera Roundup

November 26, 2014

*This edition of the SEC Riviera Roundup is a departure from its normal format. Also, it is forewarned that it contains disturbing truths about your conference, information the powers that be would rather not acknowledge, and certainly not debate. The SEC is in peril, its credibility as a conference at stake.



The SEC is the new WWF, and it has Alabama to thank for it. Biased officiating and leadership have so tainted the league, so marred its recent progress and accomplishment in the realm of college football, that the conference is now the equivalent of pro wrestling for the proclaimed Southern elite. Such is the state of college football in the nation’s toughest conference. The head of SEC officials (referees) is Steve Shaw, an unabashed Alabama graduate. Alabama has been the least penalized team in the SEC five of the last six years and during that same span has had the easiest Western Division schedule. Moreover, did you know the SEC website does not list penalties in its statistics section?

These are facts all ticket-purchasing Southeastern Conference football fans should know as the league prepares to hire a new commissioner, because the current conference leadership is essentially a cartel, one bent on ensuring continued Alabama dominance, despite its stated intentions.

The Southeastern Conference Mission Statement

“The purpose of the Southeastern Conference is to assist its member institutions in the maintenance of programs of intercollegiate athletics which are compatible with the highest standards of education and competitive sports.”

A History of Corruption

The State of Alabama has a history of corruption. One need not peruse history books to read of the transgressions of George Wallace and his dubious gubernatorial successors. Recently, the Alabama Speaker of the House, arguably the state’s most powerful political figure, Mike Hubbard, was indicted on 23 separate corruption counts. Just weeks later, he was re-elected in his house district by constituents, and subsequently re-elected by his peers as leader of the body politic. Corruption and Alabama are synonymous. Derided incessantly by onlookers, for years their helpless defense has been, “But we aren’t as bad as Louisiana.” Of course, the SEC offices aren’t in Bogalusa—they’re in Birmingham.

Here is a link regarding Hubbard’s alleged crimes: LINK

If you are an avid fan of Southeastern Conference football and own a high-definition television with DVR capability, you have undoubtedly over the past few years witnessed repeatedly the shameless transgressions of SEC officials who call Alabama Crimson Tide football games. Gratuitous ball spots, regular no-calls, picked up yellow flags without explanation and timely video replay reversals are the norm in Alabama football games. We have all seen them. The fact that the SEC athletic directors and presidents are silent about them, however, is most alarming. Life is so good inside their gilded, ivory towers that reticence must be their walking orders to maintain the status quo. Paying fans, however—especially those season ticket holders whose escalating opportunity costs come at a great price to their deserving families—should be incensed; and they should be heard loud and clear:

“Abolish every objectionable feature of conference play; ensure objectivity and fairness for the players, or we will give up our tickets.”

Understand that the conference brass will not speak out—it will take the fans to change the bias that exists within the conference. The league has 14 teams—not one. The only way to have Mike Slive and Steve Shaw replaced with good actors is to have an outcry among the paying fans—the very people who enable the system with their hard-earned money. Continued silence will result in continued bias.

Former NFL Referee Mike Pereira, Steve Shaw and the Gulf Coast Athletic Club

I am a member of the Gulf Coast Athletic Club. We meet every two weeks during the fall in Gulf Shores, Alabama and entertain some of the Deep South’s most recognizable coaches, former players and opinion makers as guest speakers. Last fall we were visited by Steve Shaw, head of SEC officials.

Shaw began by saying that he attended the University of Alabama during the glory days of Bear Bryant. He explained that he and Mike Slive hire all 63 officials who comprise the nine groups of seven who call all the Southeastern Conference games during the season. He related that it is an important rule that no SEC official who graduated from an SEC school can call a game involving that school. He then proceeded to tell a story about how he was the head official for the crew that called the Alabama-Tennessee game years before—the one where Alabama native Condoleezza Rice flipped the coin prior to the game, immediately calling into question the veracity of his prior statement. Shaw described in vivid detail how Secretary of State Rice “flipped” the coin and that it actually didn’t flip, landing on heads—in favor of Alabama. He hesitated, he said, knowing that it should have been re-flipped, as it technically never tumbled end over end. However, he said he noticed the many secret service agents in attendance and decided against it, announcing instead, “Alabama wins the toss!” This was not the most interesting part of his address, however.

Shaw revealed that the SEC offices now have within their grasp what he called an “SEC Command Center,” a brand new facility equipped with many satellites and televisions capable of watching in real-time every game being called by SEC officials. Shaw explained that he and Slive sit inside this facility on weekends and monitor the calls of every game to ensure that they are being properly officiated and so that they can ensure that social media problems don’t occur in the event of bad calls. The problem with this scenario is that it is illegal for Slive or Shaw to intervene during any game and comment on a particular call, as all league officials during games are to only confer among each other, or in the instance of a video replay, with the replay official in the sky. This is the root of the problem.

Mike Pereira, a former NFL referee, Senior Director of Officials and Vice President of NFL officials, attended the Alabama-Tennessee game earlier this year. In that contest he witnessed first-hand that officials were speaking to someone through an outfitted device. He surmised that the “mystery man” they spoke to was not the SEC replay official, as the calls in question did not involve video replay. He asserted strongly in public comments that this was illegal and that the SEC was in jeopardy of losing credibility as a result. Who exactly was this mystery man he alleged was talking in real-time to SEC officials? Could it possibly have been their bosses—the ones in the SEC “Command Center” that Shaw spoke of? Subsequent to these allegations the league offices issued a staunch denial of Pereira’s assertions.

“Mike Pereira’s comments are erroneous and without merit. All officiating decisions in the SEC, other than a replay timeout, are made on the field of play, and any accusations to the contrary are unfounded and irresponsible.”

Here are two interesting references to Pereira’s related claims:

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Here is an interesting, related column by Nola.com’s Ron Higgins:

LINK

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