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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:34 pm to SABANrulz1
much tougher today with scholarship restrictions and with more schools have athletic budgets that can compete with the big boys. Bear was great and he may have very well done it in today's game but SABAN is better because of the era.
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:41 pm to roguetiger15
Different eras; the games were different, but Coach Saban is close and/or equal to Coach Bryant.
In Coach Bryant's day, they played about 10 games a year and you got invited to a bowl game (which there were only a few). There were no conference divisions or conference championship game. The national championship was decided before the bowl games, which were mainly just rewards for a good year. That changed in the late 60's, early 70's.
Now, in Coach Saban's day, the SEC is divided into divisions and a conference championship game is played. 12 to 14 games are played each year depending on playing for the conference championships and the national championship.
The BCS brought in the playoff system by having #1 and #2 play for the national championship. Saban did this 4 times and won all 4 (3 at Bama, 1 at LSU). Saban is the only coach to have won national championships at 2 different schools. Bryant only played the #1 team twice; #1 Penn State in 1979 which he won, and #1 Neb. in 1972 which he lost.
Both won AP back to back national championships, CB twice and CS once.
Bryant has Saban beat in the conference championships. CB won 14 SEC championships (1 at Kentucky, 13 at Alabama). He also won a SWC championship while at Texas A&M. CS has won 4 conference championships (2 at LSU, 2 at Alabama). Bryant did not have to play a conference championship game. Saban and Bryant are the only coaches to win an SEC championship at two different schools.
Bryant has 14 10+ win seasons; Saban has 9 10+ win seasons
In Coach Bryant's day, they played about 10 games a year and you got invited to a bowl game (which there were only a few). There were no conference divisions or conference championship game. The national championship was decided before the bowl games, which were mainly just rewards for a good year. That changed in the late 60's, early 70's.
Now, in Coach Saban's day, the SEC is divided into divisions and a conference championship game is played. 12 to 14 games are played each year depending on playing for the conference championships and the national championship.
The BCS brought in the playoff system by having #1 and #2 play for the national championship. Saban did this 4 times and won all 4 (3 at Bama, 1 at LSU). Saban is the only coach to have won national championships at 2 different schools. Bryant only played the #1 team twice; #1 Penn State in 1979 which he won, and #1 Neb. in 1972 which he lost.
Both won AP back to back national championships, CB twice and CS once.
Bryant has Saban beat in the conference championships. CB won 14 SEC championships (1 at Kentucky, 13 at Alabama). He also won a SWC championship while at Texas A&M. CS has won 4 conference championships (2 at LSU, 2 at Alabama). Bryant did not have to play a conference championship game. Saban and Bryant are the only coaches to win an SEC championship at two different schools.
Bryant has 14 10+ win seasons; Saban has 9 10+ win seasons
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:47 pm to roguetiger15
Another title or two, and Saban may surpass Bryant's resume, considering the eras.
But Saban will never be as beloved as Bryant, who played there and coached there for decades.
But Saban will never be as beloved as Bryant, who played there and coached there for decades.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:01 pm to roguetiger15
It's going to be impossible for anyone to top the Bear.
Nick needs:
12 more SEC titles
3 more national championships
Beat Auburn 10 times in a row
Nick needs:
12 more SEC titles
3 more national championships
Beat Auburn 10 times in a row
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:22 pm to Stan Gable
quote:Versus LSU...
Beat Auburn 10 times in a row
Coach Bryant vs LSU
16-3 (11 in a row)
Coach Saban vs LSU
6-3 (4 in a row)
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:29 pm to DMagic
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I don't know about that. Most people outside of the state of Louisiana give him tremendous amounts of admiration and respect.
Da Fuq is this?
I and I know tons other LSU fans who respect Bear Bryant.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:32 pm to Stan Gable
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Beat Auburn 10 times in a row
Count again, Binky.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:40 pm to cyde
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You'll never fit in here.
I take that as a compliment.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:42 pm to jatebe
I've never understood why Coach Thomas always gets overlooked in these great coaches discussions. All he did was compile a .812 WP, win 4 SEC's, one natty and went to 2 Rose Bowls.
I dare say that at most schools, the stadium would be named after him, even in the SEC with the possible exceptions of Florida and Tennessee.
I dare say that at most schools, the stadium would be named after him, even in the SEC with the possible exceptions of Florida and Tennessee.
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:45 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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Beat Auburn 10 times in a rowquote:
Count again, Binky.
He's right dude.
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what does saban have to do, in your minds, to get to the bears' level and surpass it.
Coach Saban has to beat Auburn 10 times in a row to surpass Coach Bryant who beat Auburn 9 times in a row. Funny, I don't remember Bear Bryant running around holding his fingers up.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:45 pm to Stan Gable
If Saban played under the same SEC Championship rules as Bryant he would have won SEC Championships in:
2008
2009
2012
2013
It's hard to compare their SEC championships.
2008
2009
2012
2013
It's hard to compare their SEC championships.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:15 pm to BammerDelendaEst
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Count again, Binky
You're wrong.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:20 pm to roguetiger15
Both legacies extend beyond the university. In small company for GOAT conversation.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:28 pm to nc14
Two different eras and two different legacies.
Bryant will forever be admired as a larger than life figure in the South. His record on the field was tremendous and, as others have posted, he was the spokeman for the South in a time when every team, person, school needed that figure.
Saban will forever be known for creating a dynasty in CFB when that should not happen, given the scholarship limits, etc. For him to do what he has in this day and age of parity, conference championships, 13 game schedules, etc is remarkable and likely not repeated for a while.
So to me at least, they are both legends and both will forever be in the conversation as two of the greatest to ever roam a college football sideline.
Bryant will forever be admired as a larger than life figure in the South. His record on the field was tremendous and, as others have posted, he was the spokeman for the South in a time when every team, person, school needed that figure.
Saban will forever be known for creating a dynasty in CFB when that should not happen, given the scholarship limits, etc. For him to do what he has in this day and age of parity, conference championships, 13 game schedules, etc is remarkable and likely not repeated for a while.
So to me at least, they are both legends and both will forever be in the conversation as two of the greatest to ever roam a college football sideline.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:50 pm to whiskeyjohn
I've long been of the opinion that Saban has done what he's done in a much more difficult era than Bryant's. But, as others have noted, Bryant will never be surpassed in terms of the way the majority of fans think about him.
Everyone listing Bryant's achievements has yet to note what I consider his greatest. Bryant won titles in 1961, 1964, and 1965. He was snubbed of another in 1966. After that, the Tide had a drop off in the late 60s, falling all the way to 6-5 by 1969. Bryant then reinvented himself by installing the wishbone and won 3 more national titles in the 70s.
Everyone listing Bryant's achievements has yet to note what I consider his greatest. Bryant won titles in 1961, 1964, and 1965. He was snubbed of another in 1966. After that, the Tide had a drop off in the late 60s, falling all the way to 6-5 by 1969. Bryant then reinvented himself by installing the wishbone and won 3 more national titles in the 70s.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:53 pm to roguetiger15
Bear pretty much made Bama what it is. Saban would have to be here a long time to surpass bear.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 8:51 am to Stan Gable
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You're wrong.
Never double down on stupid.
Alabama's longest win streak over Auburn was 9 consecutive years, 1973-1981. In was in all the papers and on TV and radio.
If you know of a different, 10-year streak that has mysteriously gone undocumented, please give the dates.
Actually winning games is not like claiming MNCs.
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:07 am to BammerDelendaEst
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Never double down on stupid.
Heed your own advice, dude. Read his post...he never said the Bear won 10 straight. He inferred that Saban would have to beat AU 10 straight to top the Bear...
Posted on 11/14/14 at 9:12 am to BammerDelendaEst
quote:Who's stupid? In order to "top" Bryant's 9 game win streak, one must win....that's right, TEN games in a row.
Never double down on stupid. Alabama's longest win streak over Auburn was 9 consecutive years, 1973-1981. In was in all the papers and on TV and radio. If you know of a different, 10-year streak that has mysteriously gone undocumented, please give the dates. Actually winning games is not like claiming MNCs.
"It's going to be impossible for anyone to top the Bear.
Nick needs:
12 more SEC titles
3 more national championships
Beat Auburn 10 times in a row "
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