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re: Bama and LSU still haven't played anyone
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:44 am to StopRobot
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:44 am to StopRobot
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THIS. You cannot have it both ways. If a school is ranked at the time you beat them you get the credit
how can people possibly believe this. The only way to accept that as true is if you believe the rankings are completely accurate.
you really need to look at the preseason poll again.
here LINK
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Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:44 am to Kingpenm3
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Bama played Ole Miss.
what was the score of that game?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:46 am to lsufball19
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what was the score of that game?
I believe Bama beat Ole Miss 37+5 turnovers to 43
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:46 am to BearBait09
Plenty of crying going on in here. The gauntlet is about to crank up for the SEC West and there will be a lot more when it's over.
Good luck to all you bitches.
Good luck to all you bitches.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:47 am to PrivatePublic
A thread attacking both LSU and Bama......oh this is rich
Royalty has it's price I suppose.
Royalty has it's price I suppose.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:48 am to Old Sarge
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Arkansas
a 2-4 team is now considered a good win?
Aight, well LSU beat 3-2 Syracuse on the road, so that's a good win too then right?
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whisky
Wisonsin has losses to Iowa and Alabama. They have wins against Miami of Ohio, Hawaii, Troy, and Nebraska. They're good?
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Georgia
has wins against Monroe, Vanderbilt, USC, and Southern. They have losses to the only semi-decent teams they've faced. So UGA is good?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:50 am to CharlesLSU
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A thread attacking both LSU and Bama......oh this is rich
I don't agree this is an attack. It's an accurate reminder. Neither Alabama or LSU have beaten anyone currently perceived to be top 25.
now, LSU doesn't have a loss, so they could be the best team in the country, we just don't have enough information yet. Alabama however...
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:53 am to lsufball19
Posted earlier - but Alabama and LSU, statistically, are the two best teams in the SEC. LSU is #1 in Total O vs P5 and Total D vs P5, and Alabama is #1 in Over/Under in both stats.
Total Offense vs P5 Opponents:
1. LSU - 467.8
2. Texas A&M - 454.7
3. Alabama - 445
4. UGA - 435.3
5. Ole Miss - 411
6. Arkansas - 398.8
7. Tennessee - 389.3
8. MSU - 370
9. Vandy - 367
10. Kentucky - 336.3
11. Florida - 332.3
12. USC - 330
13. Auburn - 325.3
14. Mizzou - 298
Total Defense vs P5 Opponents
1. LSU - 300.5
2. Alabama - 305
3. Florida - 311.3
4. Kentucky - 333.3
5. Mizzou - 334.7
6. Texas A&M - 384.7
7. Georgia - 389
8. Ole Miss - 393.3
9. Auburn - 405.3
10. MSU - 414
11. Arkansas - 417.5
12. Tennessee - 419.5
13. Vanderbilt - 447
14. USC - 467.6
Total Offense vs P5 difference from opposing defenses vs P5:
1. Alabama - +57.7 yards per game
2. Ole Miss - +56.6 yards per game
3. LSU - +40.6 yards per game
4. Texas A&M - +38.2 yards per game
5. Tennessee - +27.3 yards per game
6. Georgia - +25.5 yards per game
7. MSU - +6.5 yards per game
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8. Auburn - -19.1 yards per game
9. USC - -22.2 yards per game
10. Arkansas - -25.3 yards per game
11. Vanderbilt - -30.2 yards per game
12. Kentucky - -34.9 yards per game
13. Florida - -37.9 yards per game
14. Mizzou - -72.7 yards per game
Total Defense vs P5 difference from opposing offenses vs P5:
1. Alabama - -94.4 yards per game
2. Arkansas - -61.3 yards per game
3. Florida - -47.4 yards per game
4. LSU - -37.2 yards per game
5. Texas A&M - -13.3 yards per game
6. MSU - -1.9 yards per game
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7. Mizzou - +1.8 yards per game
8. Georgia - +7.7 yards per game
9. Kentucky - +13.2 yards per game
10. Ole Miss - +13.9 yards per game
11. Auburn - +16.8 yards per game
12. Vanderbilt - +23.8 yards per game
13. Tennessee - +40.1 yards per game
14. USC - +71.8 yards per game
Takeaways:
* Alabama has done the best in consideration of opposition so far.
* Only 4 teams hold their opponents below their average AND gain more than their opponents normally allow - Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, MSU
* Florida's 10 spots between each of the weighted rankings is the biggest difference
* Tidbit - USC opponent North Carolina played two FCS teams this year
* Vanderbilt has only played 2 P5 teams, the fewest
* South Carolina has played 5 P5 teams, the most
* LSU leads both Total stats, outgaining P5 opponents by an average of 167.3 yards per game. Alabama is second in this metric, at 140 yards per game. USC, by contrast, is being outgained by 137 yards per game.
* MSU is the last team to finish above the line in both weighted metrics.
Total Offense vs P5 Opponents:
1. LSU - 467.8
2. Texas A&M - 454.7
3. Alabama - 445
4. UGA - 435.3
5. Ole Miss - 411
6. Arkansas - 398.8
7. Tennessee - 389.3
8. MSU - 370
9. Vandy - 367
10. Kentucky - 336.3
11. Florida - 332.3
12. USC - 330
13. Auburn - 325.3
14. Mizzou - 298
Total Defense vs P5 Opponents
1. LSU - 300.5
2. Alabama - 305
3. Florida - 311.3
4. Kentucky - 333.3
5. Mizzou - 334.7
6. Texas A&M - 384.7
7. Georgia - 389
8. Ole Miss - 393.3
9. Auburn - 405.3
10. MSU - 414
11. Arkansas - 417.5
12. Tennessee - 419.5
13. Vanderbilt - 447
14. USC - 467.6
Total Offense vs P5 difference from opposing defenses vs P5:
1. Alabama - +57.7 yards per game
2. Ole Miss - +56.6 yards per game
3. LSU - +40.6 yards per game
4. Texas A&M - +38.2 yards per game
5. Tennessee - +27.3 yards per game
6. Georgia - +25.5 yards per game
7. MSU - +6.5 yards per game
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8. Auburn - -19.1 yards per game
9. USC - -22.2 yards per game
10. Arkansas - -25.3 yards per game
11. Vanderbilt - -30.2 yards per game
12. Kentucky - -34.9 yards per game
13. Florida - -37.9 yards per game
14. Mizzou - -72.7 yards per game
Total Defense vs P5 difference from opposing offenses vs P5:
1. Alabama - -94.4 yards per game
2. Arkansas - -61.3 yards per game
3. Florida - -47.4 yards per game
4. LSU - -37.2 yards per game
5. Texas A&M - -13.3 yards per game
6. MSU - -1.9 yards per game
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7. Mizzou - +1.8 yards per game
8. Georgia - +7.7 yards per game
9. Kentucky - +13.2 yards per game
10. Ole Miss - +13.9 yards per game
11. Auburn - +16.8 yards per game
12. Vanderbilt - +23.8 yards per game
13. Tennessee - +40.1 yards per game
14. USC - +71.8 yards per game
Takeaways:
* Alabama has done the best in consideration of opposition so far.
* Only 4 teams hold their opponents below their average AND gain more than their opponents normally allow - Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, MSU
* Florida's 10 spots between each of the weighted rankings is the biggest difference
* Tidbit - USC opponent North Carolina played two FCS teams this year
* Vanderbilt has only played 2 P5 teams, the fewest
* South Carolina has played 5 P5 teams, the most
* LSU leads both Total stats, outgaining P5 opponents by an average of 167.3 yards per game. Alabama is second in this metric, at 140 yards per game. USC, by contrast, is being outgained by 137 yards per game.
* MSU is the last team to finish above the line in both weighted metrics.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:54 am to lsufball19
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or we can just list the ranked teams A&M has beaten
TIA
#28 Arizona State and #29 Mississippi State
Top 25 is so arbitrary, don't you think?
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:55 am to lsufball19
They are all legit games
Did you read my posts?? I said MSU would beat easily 3 of those 4
I'm not crowning any of those as awesome but all were legit opponents
And I forgot Syracuse, they count so LSU has 2 with one being better than at least 3 of Bama's 4
My posts address the ops premise that neither LSU not Bama have panted anyone, so get your panties out of a wad.
Did you read my posts?? I said MSU would beat easily 3 of those 4
I'm not crowning any of those as awesome but all were legit opponents
And I forgot Syracuse, they count so LSU has 2 with one being better than at least 3 of Bama's 4
My posts address the ops premise that neither LSU not Bama have panted anyone, so get your panties out of a wad.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:57 am to BearBait09
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I don't agree this is an attack. It's an accurate reminder. Neither Alabama or LSU have beaten anyone currently perceived to be top 25.
Well, that in of itself has a big ol' asterisk also, because then you have to ask if a Georgia team with Nick Chubb is Top 25 material or not.
That said, it's clearly an attack - otherwise why bring it up? Alabama plays A&M this weekend and LSU plays Florida. If both Bama and LSU win, then their showdown LIKELY will determine the West. That's not an attack on Ole Miss, just an accurate reminder that they still have to play LSU and A&M.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 9:58 am to WG_Dawg
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WG_Dawg
Well at least you have Basketball to look forward to
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:10 am to Lou Pai
That possible "best QB in the country" is a cheater and is suspended for the remainder of the season. And how can you consider Florida a cupcake? They just took a big dookie on Ole Miss' chest.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:22 am to skrayper
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otherwise why bring it up?
because some LSU and Bama fans (which lets be honest, bama could be 2-3 and you could still find people claiming they are the best team in the country) are expressing way too much confidence in their team given what has actually been accomplished so far.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:27 am to BearBait09
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because some LSU and Bama fans (which lets be honest, bama could be 2-3 and you could still find people claiming they are the best team in the country) are expressing way too much confidence in their team given what has actually been accomplished so far.
5-0, ho.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:38 pm to BearBait09
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too much confidence in their team given what has actually been accomplished so far.
Well, first off - you're talking *FANS*, not players, so I doubt any level of confidence I do or do not possess is relevant to anything.
Secondly, while one might make the argument that Alabama and LSU have no wins over current top 25 opponents, their SOSs are:
Teamrankings.com - Alabama 2, LSU 29
Sagarin - Alabama 9, LSU 49
PredictionMachine.com - Alabama 9, LSU 47
That said, as stated already in this thread, LSU and Alabama are BOTH holding opposing teams well below their averages on offenses, and gaining well above their average on defense compared to other P5 teams.
Alabama holding teams nearly 100 yards below their standard output AND playing a consensus top 10 SOS I, imagine, would have many Bama fans pretty confident in the defense.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 12:56 pm to BearBait09
In order for a team to remain in the top 25, they need to avoid getting blown out.
LSU dominates team-team gets knocked out of rankings
LSU wins close game-team stays in rankings
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either go by what they are ranked when the teams play or wait until the end of the season rankings to continue this jargon.
LSU dominates team-team gets knocked out of rankings
LSU wins close game-team stays in rankings
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either go by what they are ranked when the teams play or wait until the end of the season rankings to continue this jargon.
This post was edited on 10/13/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:00 pm to WG_Dawg
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Bama has played 4 teams better than the best team LSU has played. Fact.
Ohhh. Poor doggy.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 1:20 pm to PrivatePublic
Damn, it must really SUCK not to be an LSU Fighting Tiger.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 2:18 pm to Knight of Old
why is Mississippi State a good win???? Who the hell have they beaten, or looked good playing against. No one
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