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re: aTm fans, how often does Kyle sell out?

Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:23 am to
Posted by aggressor
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:23 am to
No "fibbing" involved, it's just a bit more complicated of a question than at most schools. A&M is a conundrum of unusual circumstances.

To start, no other major school experienced the growth A&M did in terms of culture and student body we did from the late 60's to the early 80's. We went from an intensely loyal and die hard following from a predominantly all male and military school with well under 10k students to a nearly 50/50 split (gender) with less than 5% ROTC and over 40k students in 15 years. Now A&M is over 50k cranking out 12k grads a year. Half the people that have graduated from A&M ALL TIME have graduated since I was in school in the early 90's. When you consider that most people that buy season tickets are 40 and above, esp luxury tickets, it has a profound effect on many things.

Most schools, esp SEC schools, have had very modest growth over time and relatively minor cultural changes by comparison. Thus the growth has been much more stable and predictable in terms of stadium capacity. There are a few schools that have grown as much as A&M did but most of them are commuter schools that don't emphasize athletics to nearly the same degree.

There are also other factors. The quality of seating in the configuration of the stadium and what a "sellout" is defined by. Is it really that different when you have a few thousand seats "available" that you can barely see the field and are the least expensive seats in the stadium and go unfilled? What is a sellout anyway? A&M's official capacity is 82k and we had many games above that number that were not "sellouts" because off of the temporary and even track seating didn't sell. Prior to the Zone being built in '99 you had almost no sellouts at Kyle in spite of a capacity of 76k because you had the horseshoe seats that were abominable. They were at a terrible angle a LONG way from the field and you didn't even have a Jumbotron really to see the game. Many of those seasons A&M had a great team but a horrific schedule as well with the last few years of the SWC and the conference games being pretty terrible.

You can also add to the complexity of it all that Texas and BCS have exploded in the the last 25 years. Both have almost doubled in population and are continuing to trend upward. There are just a lot more potential customers now than there used to be.

The biggest issue of course has been the craptastic product we put on the football field in the '00s. I only missed a couple of games at home in that decade but damn it was not always fun. The Tennessee folks can probably relate to this the most, it's really tough when you go through a lengthy period of being really good like we were in the '80s and '90s and then just being so mediocre. People will always support a winner but A&M probably has a strong of a base of "no matter what" support as anyone and we were certainly tested.

Quality of schedule certainly plays into this as well. The SEC move definitely improved the schedule and sets it up well for the future. SEC teams also travel whereas Big 12 Teams really didn't outside of a couple. Having LSU and Bama on alternating years at home helps to balance things in terms of having a "feature" home game guaranteed every year. Long term I think the Texas game comes back as well to alternate out every other year and that provides another "anchor" along with the SEC schedule.

That's where it gets complicated. Can A&M sell out a 104k stadium if we are 6-6? No, but who can if we are talking about a multi year period of suckage? The key is that if you have a stadium that size and facilities to go with it you shouldn't suck and the payoff from selling out that kind of stadium is enormous both from a revenue and a PR perspective. Any way you slice it though it is a risk. If you build it will they come? There is strong evidence that they will. One thing we have learned though is the most expensive decision is to go half way. You are far better off going for the brass ring and rallying people toward that goal as opposed to going for being "pretty good" and expecting people to pay for a Top 10 program. You either commit all the way or you might as well go home, esp in the SEC.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:30 am to
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Once the SEC move wears off and JFF is gone you'll probably see a regression back to that.


Was gonna get mad, then I considered the source
Posted by NBamaAlum
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:35 am to
All that explaining, and the only thing that comes to mind is that BDS was expanded while Shula was the coach...after Fran was told UA faced "the barrel of a gun".
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:51 am to
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once Saban's effect has worn off


so nice of Saban to still recruit for us 8 years after he left.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:52 am to
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Was gonna get mad, then I considered the source


34 sell outs in 26 years?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 10:59 am to
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it's just a bit more complicated of a question than at most schools. A&M is a conundrum of unusual circumstances.


no it's not.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29178 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:01 am to
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34 sell outs in 26 years?


We lead the SEC in percentage of SEC home game sellouts.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:04 am to
Good lord I'd hope so. If you couldn't sell out every game this year with the newness of the move and everything that fell in your favor there would be a serious problem.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29178 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:08 am to
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Good lord I'd hope so. If you couldn't sell out every game this year with the newness of the move and everything that fell in your favor there would be a serious problem.


Nothing fell in our favor. Schedule makers screwed us. We had to play Florida. /LSUfans
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
10521 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:10 am to
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Nothing fell in our favor. Schedule makers screwed us. We had to play Florida. /LSUfans


Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:12 am to
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Nothing fell in our favor


You lucked into the best player you've ever had and still lost 2 games.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:13 am to
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34 sell outs in 26 years?


Considers source again

Still not worth the time....
Posted by DWag215
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
7215 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:14 am to
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You lucked into the best player you've ever had and still lost 2 games.

A point made because it's directly relevant to Kyle Field attendance, right?

Don't give away your cover so easily.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29178 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:14 am to
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You lucked into the best player you've ever had and still lost 2 games.



Exactly. He had to play Florida since the SEC screwed up, if he didn't he would be the first and most likely only freshman to ever win a Heisman and a Natty in the same year. Move the SEC offices to Houston, and the SEC Championship to Jerry World.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:15 am to
So if I said 2+ 2 = 4 you'd have to "consider the source" before accepting it?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:18 am to
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A point made because it's directly relevant to Kyle Field attendance, right?


Yeah having a transcendent, record breaking QB influences attendance....
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:18 am to
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So if I said 2+ 2 = 4 you'd have to "consider the source" before accepting it?


If that source is you, then yup

Posted by GalvoAg
Galveston TX
Member since Apr 2012
10840 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:20 am to
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Yeah having a transcendent, record breaking QB influences attendance....

Then how come we sold out the year before when we didn't have him?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:22 am to
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If that source is you, then yup


Well I give you credit for consistency
Posted by AGBQ99
Cedar Park, TX
Member since Dec 2011
641 posts
Posted on 2/26/13 at 11:24 am to
Season tickets were sold out before anyone had a clue how good Johnny was....Florida tickets were selling for over $200 at the top of the north endzone before anyone knew who Johnny was.....I will agree with you that the SEC move is what really influenced sells this year.
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