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re: Are primma donna 5* Kentucky players destroying UK basketball program?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:38 pm to thesoccerfanjax
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:38 pm to thesoccerfanjax
quote:Those players wouldn't be at Kentucky if Cal wasn't selling them on being his next 1 and done lottery pick.
It's not a "model". It's called going after the best players in the nation...and getting them. Billy D would love to have Cal's "model" but he isn't able to.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:40 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Those players wouldn't be at Kentucky if Cal wasn't selling them on being his next 1 and done lottery pick.
Yes the best basketball program in college basketball history would have some serious issues recruiting if Cal wasn't there.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:42 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Meh, Kentucky sells itself. Duke, UCLA, NC, Kentucky.... they will recruit well no matter what
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:36 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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My post went over your head. All the coaches at big programs are going for these guys. The thing is they can't get them like Cal can.
They all want them. They don't want all of them at the same time or to build a program around them. Cal is the only coach in America who builds his program around freshmen.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:48 pm to Monticello
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Cal is the only coach in America who builds his program around freshmen.
Kansas has more one and done guys than Kentucky
Duke has 3 of them next year
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:54 pm to Monticello
You guys are underestimating the nanunces of playing basketball.
UK fans like to look at the Davis/Kidd Gilcrest team as an example of what they should be but that team was lead by a sophmore point guard and 2 of the best all around freshmans to play in college in the last 10 years. that will not happen every year
this is more along the lines of what you are going to get with the way cal recruits.
First and more importantly, CAl has no point guard. Harrison is not ready yet. He's doesn't see the floor particularly well and more importantly, he's pretty fricking stupid. Arkansas does not beat UK if Harrison does not make 2 stupid arse plays at the end of regulation Thursday night. He's not BAD, he's just not all that good. yet. he can be. He's the type of player that seriously needs to stay in college for 3-4 years but if he did and listened to coaching he could be a 10-12 year NBA player. But he needs a lot of work.
You can have 7 5 stars in your rotation but if you don't have a legit point guard in your system that doesn't turn the ball over it doesn't matter.
2. they don't undrestand how to play basketball yet. The Qualls dunk against UK doesn't happen if Young boxes his man out. They don't hit freethrows. They don't space the floor well whatsoever. They don't comprehend pick and roll game. As beastly as randle is, he doesn't fight for position like for instance, Jhonny O'Bryant does for LSU on the block, and JOB didn't do it last year like he does this year.
this is all freshman type shite. this is the stuff freshman do. they are going to do this, 5 star, 2 star, 3 star, because there is transition from HS to college.
if everyone on that team outside Randle and WCS stayed, they'd have a legit shot at the Natty next year. but they won't.
i'M VERY happy we have Kinglsey and Portis.. both are legit top 50 type players.. good enough to make an imnpact, but not good enough to think they are good enough to be one and done.
with all that said i pray to god we get Malik Monk in 2016 lol. But I don't want a team full of them lol, I just want him to plug in with what we have.
UK fans like to look at the Davis/Kidd Gilcrest team as an example of what they should be but that team was lead by a sophmore point guard and 2 of the best all around freshmans to play in college in the last 10 years. that will not happen every year
this is more along the lines of what you are going to get with the way cal recruits.
First and more importantly, CAl has no point guard. Harrison is not ready yet. He's doesn't see the floor particularly well and more importantly, he's pretty fricking stupid. Arkansas does not beat UK if Harrison does not make 2 stupid arse plays at the end of regulation Thursday night. He's not BAD, he's just not all that good. yet. he can be. He's the type of player that seriously needs to stay in college for 3-4 years but if he did and listened to coaching he could be a 10-12 year NBA player. But he needs a lot of work.
You can have 7 5 stars in your rotation but if you don't have a legit point guard in your system that doesn't turn the ball over it doesn't matter.
2. they don't undrestand how to play basketball yet. The Qualls dunk against UK doesn't happen if Young boxes his man out. They don't hit freethrows. They don't space the floor well whatsoever. They don't comprehend pick and roll game. As beastly as randle is, he doesn't fight for position like for instance, Jhonny O'Bryant does for LSU on the block, and JOB didn't do it last year like he does this year.
this is all freshman type shite. this is the stuff freshman do. they are going to do this, 5 star, 2 star, 3 star, because there is transition from HS to college.
if everyone on that team outside Randle and WCS stayed, they'd have a legit shot at the Natty next year. but they won't.
i'M VERY happy we have Kinglsey and Portis.. both are legit top 50 type players.. good enough to make an imnpact, but not good enough to think they are good enough to be one and done.
with all that said i pray to god we get Malik Monk in 2016 lol. But I don't want a team full of them lol, I just want him to plug in with what we have.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:55 pm to WestCoastAg
My question is how much heat Calipari gets from the blue nation ?...They are passionate about roundball just like others in the SEC are fanatical about football.
I like to razz about Calipari and I don't care for his style ..but he wins. Fans are unreasonable as we all know and its what have you done for me lately syndrome.
Will cats start howling about the lack of team work? That's the biggest problem...trying to get high school hotshots who have been courted by everyone to invest in learning to share and bond with others. UK has the talent few schools have and just needs to change direction and sit some players down to send a strong message.
I like to razz about Calipari and I don't care for his style ..but he wins. Fans are unreasonable as we all know and its what have you done for me lately syndrome.
Will cats start howling about the lack of team work? That's the biggest problem...trying to get high school hotshots who have been courted by everyone to invest in learning to share and bond with others. UK has the talent few schools have and just needs to change direction and sit some players down to send a strong message.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:26 am to vengeanceofrain
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You guys are underestimating the nanunces of playing basketball.
el oh fricking el
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:34 am to VerlanderBEAST
Imagine when you were a teenager, and a 5 star player on a prominent team. Oh that's right you can't.
Could you handle all that media at young age, while being great at what you do. No, probably not.
Most people can't handle such pressure, while trying to hold these college players to a standard you can't even understand.
Could you handle all that media at young age, while being great at what you do. No, probably not.
Most people can't handle such pressure, while trying to hold these college players to a standard you can't even understand.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:37 am to RTR America
quote:UCLA says
Yes the best basketball program in college basketball history
quote:You honestly think these guys come to UK with any intention of getting a degree or even playing more than a year?
would have some serious issues recruiting if Cal wasn't there.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:46 am to VerlanderBEAST
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UCLA says
Kentucky has won the most games all time, more NCAA tourney appearances, and they have had 5 different coaches win championships there
Any all time CBB list will have Kentucky #1.
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You honestly think these guys come to UK with any intention of getting a degree or even playing more than a year?
What does that have to do with anything? Cal is a great recruiter, but he was never this good at Memphis or UMASS.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 1:47 am
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:07 am to RTR America
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Kentucky has won the most games all time, more NCAA tourney appearances, and they have had 5 different coaches win championships there
Any all time CBB list will have Kentucky #1.
11 titles 18 Final 4s. NCAA tourney appearances aren't that impressive the SEC is traditionally a mediocre at best conference. UCLA's made it to Final 4s with 5 different coaches
UCLA is the greatest college basketball program UK is in the discussion for a distant #2
The reason he recruits the way he does at UK is because of 2 people. Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 2:12 am
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:15 am to VerlanderBEAST
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UCLA is the greatest college basketball program UK is in the discussion for a distant #2
There was a top CBB programs of all time thread on the MSB a few weeks ago. You should go check it out.
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The reason he recruits the way he does at UK is because of 2 people. Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans.
So what is your idiotic response to Tubby Smith, Pitinio, Joe B Hall, and Rupp all recruiting well before him?
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 2:22 am
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:45 am to RTR America
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Duke has 3 of them next year
They will also have 6 (possibly 7 depending on Hood) upper class men who play this year on next years team. Do not even begin to try to compare the coaching styles of Cal to coaches like K, Izzo, Donovan, Boeheim, or Roy Williams.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:45 am to RTR America
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So what is your idiotic response to Tubby Smith, Pitinio, Joe B Hall, and Rupp all recruiting well before him?
Recruiting well and recruiting guys who expect to leave after 1 season aren't the same.
Also there is no legitimate argument for UK as a better basketball program than UCLA.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 2:59 am
Posted on 3/2/14 at 3:08 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Recruiting well and recruiting guys who expect to leave after 1 season aren't the same.
That is because times have changed. Cal is taking advantage of a system that is in place. Pitino had arguably the most talented team all time in 96. They had something like 8 pros.
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Also there is no legitimate argument for UK as a better basketball program than UCLA.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 3:10 am to MSUbulldogs03
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They will also have 6 (possibly 7 depending on Hood) upper class men who play this year on next years team.
And Kentucky will most likely only lose 2 or 3 guys to the draft.
LOL at you if you really think Coach K uses his bench all that much. It has been his achilles heel some times when it comes tournament time.
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Do not even begin to try to compare the coaching styles of Cal to coaches like K, Izzo, Donovan, Boeheim, or Roy Williams.
Calipari has been better than majority of these coaches the last 8 years.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 4:53 am to RTR America
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And Kentucky will most likely only lose 2 or 3 guys to the draft.
You'll lose a minimum of 4 freshman.
Posted on 3/2/14 at 6:51 am to VerlanderBEAST
I keep hearing UK fans say Cal is a master motivator. I've rarely seen it without someone like The Brow to save the team.
I did see many UK fans complaining that this team is shite and they are lazy, unmotivated and generally poopty.
Question: Is this on Cal then if he's such a good coach and motivator or are the recruiting rankings for basketball pure poop.
I did see many UK fans complaining that this team is shite and they are lazy, unmotivated and generally poopty.
Question: Is this on Cal then if he's such a good coach and motivator or are the recruiting rankings for basketball pure poop.
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 6:59 am
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:38 am to VerlanderBEAST
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UCLA says
UCLA might be 4th on the list.
The BB knowledge of the rant posters on here is troubling. I guess most only watch football and track.
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