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re: Apparently Mike Leach thinks it's still 2011, blasts SEC offenses

Posted on 1/20/17 at 8:08 am to
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 8:08 am to
In our case, he is correct. And it's not that a pro-style offense can't be successful in college football, obviously it can with a superior OL, but there is definitely much more potential with a dual-threat QB in an offense that utilizes dual-threat capability.
Posted by MedDawg
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 8:18 am to
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He don't believe in defense. He rather have a shootout.




Has Mike Leach ever beaten an SEC team? All I remember is Bama beating one of his best Texas Tech teams 10-0 and later Ole Miss whupping him in a Cotton Bowl.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 9:40 am to
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In our case, he is correct. And it's not that a pro-style offense can't be successful in college football, obviously it can with a superior OL, but there is definitely much more potential with a dual-threat QB in an offense that utilizes dual-threat capability.




It does come down to the OL for a pro style attack. Two years ago, with a solid but not great OL,
Arkansas had an extremely potent offense that won a lot of shootouts over spread teams. I believe they put up bigger numbers then Petrino's teams did here.

This year, with a subpar OL, we were middle of the road at best and had entire halves where our offense simply vanished.

Of the two I prefer the pro style offense because it is so hard to defend when you get the play action passing game going. That having been said it is harder to put that type of team out there because you need 5 solid OLinemen at a minimum to make it work.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:03 am to
Well, Florida really does not have an offense....and I would not call what South Carolina put on the field when they had the ball an offense.

Maybe he is referring to the fact that the SEC overall has shite quarterbacking. In that regard he has a point.


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Posted by Triple Daves
ITP
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:04 am to
His point wasn't that SEC offenses are "bad", his point was they are all simplistic and basic and that all the SEC coaches like it that way.

That's stupid and not even close to true.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:26 am to
He's right.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:46 am to
Nm
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:54 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 10:46 am to
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His point wasn't that SEC offenses are "bad", his point was they are all simplistic and basic and that all the SEC coaches like it that way.




There's nothing more simplistic than the air raid offense.Lavell Edwards invented it so incoming QB's could learn it in a week.

Just look at how lost those QB's are when the get to the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 10:53 am
Posted by Triple Daves
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 11:58 am to
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He's right.


The Pac-12 has basically as many pro-style 1-back/I-formation offenses as the SEC : Stanford, USC. The SEC had LSU, Georgia, maybe Vanderbilt and Florida.

It's not true and he looks like an idiot.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:50 pm to
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Of the two I prefer the pro style offense because it is so hard to defend when you get the play action passing game going. That having been said it is harder to put that type of team out there because you need 5 solid OLinemen at a minimum to make it work.


Tend to agree with this. Lesser teams who can't get top/huge linemen have been able the level the playing field to some extent by using the read/option with dual-threat QB's and smaller but more athletic line who can move quickly down the LOS and make blocks at an outside point of attack. The first team I remember doing this was WVU when they had Pat White and Steve Slaton and upset Georgia in the 2006 Sugar Bowl.
Posted by roger79
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Posted on 1/20/17 at 1:57 pm to
What's Leach won in his career? As a head coach, he hasn't sniffed a title. Oklahoma won its one national title with Stoops the year after Leach left.

Now you can argue he hasn't coached at an elite school. I would counter-argue that no elite school will hire him because 1) his offense leaves his defense routinely exposed and 2) he's a jackass who think he's too good to do the glad-handing other coaches do with alumni and boosters.
This post was edited on 1/20/17 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25195 posts
Posted on 1/20/17 at 6:31 pm to
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Tend to agree with this. Lesser teams who can't get top/huge linemen have been able the level the playing field to some extent by using the read/option with dual-threat QB's and smaller but more athletic line who can move quickly down the LOS and make blocks at an outside point of attack. The first team I remember doing this was WVU when they had Pat White and Steve Slaton and upset Georgia in the 2006 Sugar Bowl.




In a way its like the introduction of the wishbone/triple option attack back in the day. Now it seems like a gimmick offense that 3-4 schools in the big leagues use, but back then it was a nightmare to defend against.

Bear Bryant went to the Wishbone and so did almost every coach that of that era because it was so difficult to defend at the college level.

This is the modern version of the Wishbone. There are flaws, sure, but at the college level isolating one vulnerable point in the defense and attacking it over and over again works better then the NFL.

Right now the RPO and QB run capable offense is a nightmare to defend against and can be put into place with fewer pieces. I prefer the classic pro style but the modern version of the spread is a dangerous beast.
Posted by ALA2262
Cumming, GA
Member since Jun 2016
1683 posts
Posted on 1/21/17 at 8:53 am to
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That is actually the truth and I heard he was the first to report on Leach and the stuffing of said supply closet.


I would hope so. It was his son that was stuffed.
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