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Posted on 12/31/15 at 7:42 am to Red Solo Cup
quote:I am only familiar with Mississippi so this might not be correct for Alabama. But, while working, whichever state agency that you worked paid up to 1/2 of your health insurance. Once you retire, the agency no longer pays that 1/2 so you have to pay it. However, it is still the large group plan for the entire state and it is better than most individual policies. State of Mississippi has a self funded plan that is administered via a 3rd party - BC/BS.
Also if vested, I believe he gets free health care for life or a long period of time.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:24 am to Diamondawg
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With 10 years service Steele final salary would be $1.3mil (up from ~$300k) and Lance Thompson is at $~600k
Thompson would get ~$10k/month
Steele would get ~$22k/month
You don't pay FICA taxes (7.65%) or state Income tax (5%) on qualified pensions though which is huge
Based on Steele's huge payraise, even if he already was invested his retirement would go from $60k/yr to ~$250k/yr for life
They take the last 5 years and then the avg of the 3 highest paid years.
Thompson was at $450K (2015,) then $429K (2014) then at $400K (2013). Those were the 3 highest years. The average is $426,333.
Then multiply that by # of years of service (10 for Thompson if he stays.)
=$4,263,330
Then multiply that by the Alabama State Legislature Benefit factor 2.0125% (.020125)
=$85,799.52 (yearly)
Then divide that by 12 months
=$7,149.96 (monthly)
There is no cap that I've found, and if Monticello is right in this thread, Thompson would still be below that $120K cap anyways. There are no deductions for tax or social security but his health care would go through his employing agency and he would still have premiums.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:33 am to dcw7g
Pensions are unfair.
Why should a government give some people a pension, and not give one to those who work in the private industry?
Why should a government give some people a pension, and not give one to those who work in the private industry?
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:37 am to East Coast Band
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Why should a government give some people a pension, and not give one to those who work in the private industry?
Doesn't your private company offer a retirement plan?
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:50 am to CockInYourEar
Most private companies during the years long recession have sought cuts and private pensions are what was cut. In the past,maybe as recent as 10 years ago, a good number of companies paid a respectable pension. But they've mostly gone away like water in a desert.
Government pensions aren't being chopped for politicians don't want to hurt their voters and their chance for reelection.
Private companies only answer to stock holders and must meet the bottom line.
Government pensions aren't being chopped for politicians don't want to hurt their voters and their chance for reelection.
Private companies only answer to stock holders and must meet the bottom line.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:55 am to East Coast Band
A major reason for the nice retirement plan is that the average state employee is paid squat. The retirement plan is a retention tool. Both of my parents retired from the state, my dad had 33 years. They both draw social security benefits along with the State retirement. They are doing much better than when they worked.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:56 am to dcw7g
Are there similar systems in neighboring states?
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:58 am to East Coast Band
quote:Is this a serious question or are you just young and naive?
Why should a government give some people a pension, and not give one to those who work in the private industry?
Posted on 12/31/15 at 8:59 am to CockInYourEar
quote:How did you associate that quote to me? I didn't write that about the $250k for life.
CockInYourEar
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:04 am to Diamondawg
I don't know what happened. I got a STOP error message when I first hit submit, then it went crazy and said I posted it, but it wasn't there, so I refreshed, and reposted it, but it connected it to you. There was an interwebz error I guess.
This post was edited on 12/31/15 at 9:05 am
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:06 am to dcw7g
Mississippi's is ridiculously good, but it takes 25 years to get full retirement.
(Average of highest four years salary * 0.8)/12 = Monthly benefit +
3% compounding "13th check."
(Average of highest four years salary * 0.8)/12 = Monthly benefit +
3% compounding "13th check."
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:11 am to anc
quote:Sort of but "full" retirement is a bit of a misnomer to me. "Full" would imply that your retirement check is as much as you were making before retirement which it's not. Plus, they changed the retire at any age with 30 years of service if you started working after July of 2010 or 2011. Don't remember the exact year.
Mississippi's is ridiculously good, but it takes 25 years to get full retirement.
quote:This sucker grows very quickly!!
3% compounding "13th check."
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:16 am to Diamondawg
Here's a couple things that folks don't know.
1. Steele is a tier 1 employee (if he didn't cash out or roll over his fund to another private fund last time he left) because he has service credit before the most recent change by the legislature. It changes the rules and the contribution limits.
2. Vesting is 10 years...I guarantee there aren't any private companies that take that long to vest.
I pay in 5% of my salary, my employer pays in that same 5% plus another 1-2% based on some actuarial calculation. So, if an employee at my office makes 50K per year (they don't), they will pay in $2,500 per year, and the employer 'matching' portion will essentially be $3,000. If this stays the same for 10 years, there will have been $55,000 paid into the retirement system on their behalf. If you leave and want to roll over your money, you only take YOUR contributions plus a percentage of the interest, NOT INVESTMENT GAINS OR EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS with you (25,000), the rest stays with the retirement system. If you work for a private company, you typically get to keep ALL contributions, earnings, and interest.
1. Steele is a tier 1 employee (if he didn't cash out or roll over his fund to another private fund last time he left) because he has service credit before the most recent change by the legislature. It changes the rules and the contribution limits.
2. Vesting is 10 years...I guarantee there aren't any private companies that take that long to vest.
I pay in 5% of my salary, my employer pays in that same 5% plus another 1-2% based on some actuarial calculation. So, if an employee at my office makes 50K per year (they don't), they will pay in $2,500 per year, and the employer 'matching' portion will essentially be $3,000. If this stays the same for 10 years, there will have been $55,000 paid into the retirement system on their behalf. If you leave and want to roll over your money, you only take YOUR contributions plus a percentage of the interest, NOT INVESTMENT GAINS OR EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS with you (25,000), the rest stays with the retirement system. If you work for a private company, you typically get to keep ALL contributions, earnings, and interest.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:17 am to dcw7g
In Louisiana, it would mean they would get paid 2.5% times their average salary over the last 5 consecutive years they worked every month for the rest of his lefe. So yeah, these state retirement systems are a damn good deal, particularly if your salary was $1.4M.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:23 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I'm not looking it up, but I would almost promise you they aren't getting 2.5 times their annual salary in retirement.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:28 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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LSUTigersVCURams
apologies for the misunderstanding
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:29 am to LSUTigersVCURams
I have a hard time believeing these systems let someone count these ridiculously high salaries in the system. That would be the dumbest thing ever.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:34 am to Colonel Flagg
It seems crazy, but the rules for these systems are set up by the legislatures, and the law's the law. It would take an act of the state legislature to carve out an exception for football coaches, and you can imagine how well that would go over politically.
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