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re: A&M demands our traditions be respected too!
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:39 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Hide what? I'm not hiding behind anything
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Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:50 am to Big Kat
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Hide what? I'm not hiding behind anything
Right, because aggies NEVER refer to how hard they had it when the Corps was madatory - even though LSU had the same requirements back in the day.
It's a tired excuse for 100 years of suckage coming from the aggie camp.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 9:57 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I've never complained about it. I'm proud of our military history. Even if it did cost us some football wins. It also helped us get football wins in our golden era pre WWII when all the service academies were good (Army, Navy).
But again, mandatory ROTC is not the same as mandatory Corps. You're very mistaken if you think it is.
But again, mandatory ROTC is not the same as mandatory Corps. You're very mistaken if you think it is.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:02 am to Big Kat
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Our Corps is more than just being in a ROTC program
And so was LSU's back in the day.
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“It has long been known that LSU prepared more than 13,000 of its cadets to enter World War II as young officers trained and equipped to lead America’s armed forces,” said Randy Gurie, executive director of the Cadets of the Ole War Skule. “LSU and Texas A&M continue to debate which institution, after the military academies, can claim the distinction of having contributed the most officers to World War II. But, if you ask any present or former the Cadet of the Ole War Skule, the answer is a resounding ‘LSU!’”
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And the beat goes on...
I swear it's like these two schools have been locked in mortal combat while falling into a bottomless pit for eternity. It's about time we were back in the same conference again. 98 years is a long time to wait.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:06 am to Big Kat
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But again, mandatory ROTC is not the same as mandatory Corps. You're very mistaken if you think it is.
Christ, man, apparently you're going to actually have to read up on LSU's own military history. You're a typical aggie who thinks y'all invented the shite.
The schools had similar programs for much of their history. LSU is known as The Old War Skule, for frick's sake, NOT A&M.
The difference is that LSU had a winning football tradition IN SPITE OF their military program while A&M didn't.
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Even if it did cost us some football wins.
THERE it is.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:11 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I'm laughing that you're trying to compare your Corps to ours.
Our Corps >>>>>
No debate needed
But again. I'm proud of our history. Yes I believe the mandatory Corps enrollment helped us pre WWII and hurt us post WWII. But all I care about is what has happened semi-recently. LSU has accomplished more in the last 10 years than A&M has ever. But with our SEC move and Kevin Sumlin we appear to be on a pretty steep projections upwards. I hope, and honestly believe, it will bring us a national championship soon.
I just hope after it does our coach doesn't end up having even more success at one of our rivals
Our Corps >>>>>
No debate needed
But again. I'm proud of our history. Yes I believe the mandatory Corps enrollment helped us pre WWII and hurt us post WWII. But all I care about is what has happened semi-recently. LSU has accomplished more in the last 10 years than A&M has ever. But with our SEC move and Kevin Sumlin we appear to be on a pretty steep projections upwards. I hope, and honestly believe, it will bring us a national championship soon.
I just hope after it does our coach doesn't end up having even more success at one of our rivals
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:16 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Your corps had 3,000 members when the ROTC was mandatory. Your student body was 10 times that large. So 90% of students were not in the Corps.
When our ROTC was mandatory 100% of the students were in the Corps. Not 10%.
Surely you see the difference and you're just trolling.
Hell, A&M still has ~3,000 members in the Corps
When our ROTC was mandatory 100% of the students were in the Corps. Not 10%.
Surely you see the difference and you're just trolling.
Hell, A&M still has ~3,000 members in the Corps
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:17 am to Big Kat
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I'm laughing that you're trying to compare your Corps to ours.
I'm laughing at your ignorance of LSU's Corps.
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Our Corps >>>>>
Just stop, man, you're embarrassing yourself.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:27 am to Big Kat
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Your corps had 3,000 members when the ROTC was mandatory
That was not until 1969 AFTER the program had changed to a 2-year ROTC program. And women were exempt from the requirement.
Why don't you do yourself a favor and actually read up on the Corps at LSU. It would save you some embarrassment.
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Hell, A&M still has ~3,000 members in the Corps
Yes, that's because y'all are now a Senior Military College while LSU is not. But that has no bearing on why A&M sucked at football for so long while LSU didn't.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:28 am to WildTchoupitoulas
A&M is one of only 6 Sr Military Colleges.
7 Ags have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor
Some posters here were in the Corps. They can spit the stats at you.
You should be proud of your military history and Corps. It's just not on the same level as the Fightin' Texas Aggie Corps of Cadets
7 Ags have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor
Some posters here were in the Corps. They can spit the stats at you.
You should be proud of your military history and Corps. It's just not on the same level as the Fightin' Texas Aggie Corps of Cadets
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Yes, that's because y'all are now a Senior Military College while LSU is not. But that has no bearing on why A&M sucked at football for so long while LSU didn't.
I'm not using it as an excuse why we sucked. All I said was it cost us games post WWII.
But definitely not in the modern era. You keep framing 1969. Lets start there. From 1969-present A&M has not been negatively effected by anything related to ROTC/Corps.
We actually had a pretty decent 25 year run during that stretch
Edit: HTF did you get us so far off topic? And why are your panties in such a wad over LSUs corps?
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 10:35 am
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:40 am to Big Kat
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A&M is one of only 6 Sr Military Colleges. 7 Ags have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor Some posters here were in the Corps. They can spit the stats at you. You should be proud of your military history and Corps. It's just not on the same level as the Fightin' Texas Aggie Corps of Cadets
WTF?
So basically you've abandoned your position that having the Corps is the reason for A&M's losing tradition?
Good.
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A&M is one of only 6 Sr Military Colleges.
Yes I know. That's the difference between me and you, I actually have knowledge of BOTH Corps of Cadets, while you have but limited knowledge of one.
For your edification, here's but one of LSU's many accomplished Cadets:
Lieutenant General John Archer Lejeune, (January 10, 1867 – November 20, 1942) was the 13th Commandant of the Marine Corps. Known as the "greatest of all Leathernecks" and the "Marine's Marine", he served for nearly 40 years.
In the Marine Corps' annual celebration of the establishment of the Marine Corps on November 10, 1775 at Tun Tavern, the following message from MajGen John A. Lejeune is read:
MARINE CORPS ORDERS
No. 47 (Series 1921)
HEADQUARTERS U.S. MARINE CORPS
Washington, November 1, 1921
759. The following will be read to the command on the 10th of November, 1921, and hereafter on the
10 November of every year. Should the order not be received by the 10th of November, 1921, it
will be read upon receipt.
(1) On November 10, 1775, a Corps of Marines was created by a resolution of Continental
Congress. Since that date many thousand men have borne the name "Marine". In memory of them it is
fitting that we who are Marines should commemorate the birthday of our corps by calling to mind the
glories of its long and illustrious history.
(2) The record of our corps is one which will bear comparison with that of the most famous
military organizations in the world's history. During 90 of the 146 years of its existence the
Marine Corps has been in action against the Nation's foes. From the Battle of Trenton to the
Argonne, Marines have won foremost honors in war, and in the long eras of tranquility at home,
generation after generation of Marines have grown gray in war in both hemispheres and in every
corner of the seven seas, that our country and its citizens might enjoy peace and security.
(3) In every battle and skirmish since the birth of our corps, Marines have acquitted themselves
with the greatest distinction, winning new honors on each occasion until the term "Marine" has come
to signify all that is highest in military efficiency and soldierly virtue.
(4) This high name of distinction and soldierly repute we who are Marines today have received
from those who preceded us in the corps. With it we have also received from them the eternal spirit
which has animated our corps from generation to generation and has been the distinguishing mark of
the Marines in every age. So long as that spirit continues to flourish Marines will be found equal
to every emergency in the future as they have been in the past, and the men of our Nation will
regard us as worthy successors to the long line of illustrious men who have served as "Soldiers of
the Sea" since the founding of the Corps.
JOHN A. LEJEUNE,
Major General Commandant
75705—21
Semper Fi!
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So basically you've abandoned your position that having the Corps is the reason for A&M's losing tradition?
I never said that. You said that many Ags claim that.
And congrats on your 1 guy. Should I wiki our 7 Medal of Honor winners?
Military history is one area you don't want to start a pissing contest with Texas A&M if you're LSU. You better stick to sports.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:36 pm to Big Kat
They can take our lives, but they'll never take our jizz jars.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:42 pm to Big Kat
SEC seating rules are lame. Making us move the visitors bench away from the student section for basketball is weak sauce.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:06 pm to Big Kat
Oh, look, here's another one...
Lieutenant General Claire Lee Chennault (September 6, 1893 – July 27, 1958), was an American military aviator. A contentious officer, he was a fierce advocate of "pursuit" or fighter-interceptor aircraft during the 1930s when the U.S. Army Air Corps was focused primarily on high-altitude bombardment. Chennault retired in 1937, went to work as an aviation trainer and adviser in China, and commanded the "Flying Tigers" during World War II, both the volunteer group and the uniformed units that replaced it in 1942.
...Claire Lee Chennault was born in Commerce, Texas
Oh, look at THAT, he was a Texan. I wonder why he didn't go to A&M...
...Probably because it was just as much of a freak farm back then as it is now.
"1 guy"? The father of the modern Marine Corps and the "greatest of all Leathernecks"? "1 guy"?
•Three of LSU's Presidents were military generals, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman (1860-61), Civil War General who was appointed the General of the Army of the United States under President Ulysses S. Grant; Maj. Gen. Campbell Hodges (1941-44), Commandant of Cadets at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and as military adviser to President Herbert Hoover; and Lt. Gen. Troy Middleton (1951-61), who was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal for actions in the Meuse-Argonne offensive during World War I and was a leader during the Battle of the Bulge in World War II.
LINK
Apparently you are unaware of this 'pissing contest' which has been on-going for about a hundred years.
Come on man, it's Memorial Day weekend, and this is some sort of ersatz 'A&M tradition' thread, let's see what you got.
Lieutenant General Claire Lee Chennault (September 6, 1893 – July 27, 1958), was an American military aviator. A contentious officer, he was a fierce advocate of "pursuit" or fighter-interceptor aircraft during the 1930s when the U.S. Army Air Corps was focused primarily on high-altitude bombardment. Chennault retired in 1937, went to work as an aviation trainer and adviser in China, and commanded the "Flying Tigers" during World War II, both the volunteer group and the uniformed units that replaced it in 1942.
...Claire Lee Chennault was born in Commerce, Texas
Oh, look at THAT, he was a Texan. I wonder why he didn't go to A&M...
...Probably because it was just as much of a freak farm back then as it is now.
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And congrats on your 1 guy
"1 guy"? The father of the modern Marine Corps and the "greatest of all Leathernecks"? "1 guy"?
•Three of LSU's Presidents were military generals, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman (1860-61), Civil War General who was appointed the General of the Army of the United States under President Ulysses S. Grant; Maj. Gen. Campbell Hodges (1941-44), Commandant of Cadets at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and as military adviser to President Herbert Hoover; and Lt. Gen. Troy Middleton (1951-61), who was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal for actions in the Meuse-Argonne offensive during World War I and was a leader during the Battle of the Bulge in World War II.
LINK
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Military history is one area you don't want to start a pissing contest with Texas A&M if you're LSU.
Apparently you are unaware of this 'pissing contest' which has been on-going for about a hundred years.
Come on man, it's Memorial Day weekend, and this is some sort of ersatz 'A&M tradition' thread, let's see what you got.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Wtf is going on in here?
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:16 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Yes, that's because y'all are now a Senior Military College while LSU is not.
No, it's because it went down from 10,000+ to about 2,000+.
and you can't have compulsory ROTC because that has been illegal since either 1969 or 1973.
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Dude. I've never seen someone get demolished like that. May the green arrow be forever in your favor 
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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WildWhatsYerName:
So why do aggies continue to hide behind that "compulsory ROTC" smoke screen?
This has devolved quite a bit from the original argument. It started out as how A&M has done vs. Texas (who has never had compulsory ROTC) vs. how LSU has done vs. Alabama. The point being made was that yet another LSU goofus says A&M ran away from the Big 12 because it was afraid of Texas. On any time scale you want to choose back to when the Corps was no longer mandatory, A&M and Texas have been fairly even. It is tilted in UT's favor lately, but in the 90's A&M had the upper hand. Any way you look at it, nimrod LSU poster was a nimrod.
I have no idea how LSU did against Alabama prior to the 70's and don't much care. That was not the issue.
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