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re: 270 yards passing is why A&M lost!
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:23 pm to bamaoldtimer
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:23 pm to bamaoldtimer
bamaoldtimer Texas is imploding but they will get back up. Still A&M will recruit well, they already do. You are not the first to suggest A&M will become a true power. That notion has existed for decades. We’ll see.
Now is not like LSU won't continue to load up also. This team is playing 15 true freshmen more than any other in FCS and the next class is the best in several years. So if you want to speculate about teams that look scary in the future LSU should be on any list.
Regardless that is all speculation and that was not my point. It was questioning if that philosophy works in the long run.
You don't develop a nasty physical Defense like LSU or Alabama if your team is so pass happy, because that is what you face in practice. Seems that these fast paced pass happy teams the more they improve on O the more they regress on D. Is not just about talent, is also what you practice with limited time.
Now is not like LSU won't continue to load up also. This team is playing 15 true freshmen more than any other in FCS and the next class is the best in several years. So if you want to speculate about teams that look scary in the future LSU should be on any list.
Regardless that is all speculation and that was not my point. It was questioning if that philosophy works in the long run.
You don't develop a nasty physical Defense like LSU or Alabama if your team is so pass happy, because that is what you face in practice. Seems that these fast paced pass happy teams the more they improve on O the more they regress on D. Is not just about talent, is also what you practice with limited time.
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Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:30 pm to r2d2
fuggin retarded.. 5 turnovers? 2 PI's 2 missed FGs.. 1 missed PAT. 1 Chop Block taking away our TD.
THESE mistakes are why we lost.. i want to kick a puppy for counting those mistakes again.
THESE mistakes are why we lost.. i want to kick a puppy for counting those mistakes again.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:33 pm to Ace Midnight
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4.82 yards per attempt....which is not good.
Truth.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 7:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
Sorry, I disagree with the premise that the spread can't win. It wins at the highest level of football, period. Saints, GB, NE, and the Giants. They are all various forms of spread you out, pass it around offenses. None of them (yes, even the Giants) have had great ground games recently. And obviously you need to have a QB that can execute it. Can Manziel? Personally, I don't think so. Too short, no arm, and too dependent on his feet. If he can learn, then watch out. If he can't, then he needs to watch out.
That said, college is a bit different, and you need to be able to pound the ball when needed. Sumlin could learn from Stoops here with the belldozer package.
He'll have to learn to run more than he has, especially when the run is working. Why there were 60+ pass plays in this last game, I'll never understand.
That said, college is a bit different, and you need to be able to pound the ball when needed. Sumlin could learn from Stoops here with the belldozer package.
He'll have to learn to run more than he has, especially when the run is working. Why there were 60+ pass plays in this last game, I'll never understand.
This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:23 pm to A&M's Slush Fund
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Sorry, I disagree with the premise that the spread can't win. It wins at the highest level of football, period. Saints, GB, NE, and the Giants. They are all various forms of spread you out, pass it around offenses. None of them (yes, even the Giants) have had great ground games recently. And obviously you need to have a QB that can execute it. Can Manziel? Personally, I don't think so. Too short, no arm, and too dependent on his feet. If he can learn, then watch out. If he can't, then he needs to watch out.
That said, college is a bit different, and you need to be able to pound the ball when needed. Sumlin could learn from Stoops here with the belldozer package.
He'll have to learn to run more than he has, especially when the run is working. Why there were 60+ pass plays in this last game, I'll never understand.
Spread is not air raid.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:38 pm to TeLeFaWx
1 interception hit Mike Evans in the hands and bounced off his shoulder pads...
1 interception was a miscommunication with a true freshman wide receiver...
1 interception was truly Johnny's fault...
Everyone that watched that game knows what is going on. There is nothing evil about the forward pass. Try it sometime.
1 interception was a miscommunication with a true freshman wide receiver...
1 interception was truly Johnny's fault...
Everyone that watched that game knows what is going on. There is nothing evil about the forward pass. Try it sometime.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:39 pm to Tel U Something Good
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1 interception hit Mike Evans in the hands and bounced off his shoulder pads...
1 interception was a miscommunication with a true freshman wide receiver...
1 interception was truly Johnny's fault...
Everyone that watched that game knows what is going on. There is nothing evil about the forward pass. Try it sometime
Unlucky breaks. Count three of those our way, and add three there way if you want to play the what if game. The result won't change.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:42 pm to r2d2
I think the OP brings up some fair points.
I am concerned that twice now, our OC has completely abandoned the run game and put the game completely on the shoulders of a RS freshman QB against two great defenses. Both games started strong because we were balanced. Both games their defense adjusted to shut Manziel down, and we refused to counter.
You gotta take what defenses give you. When LSU went to a 3 man front and weren't stacking the box, we kept passing. Lets be honest, at this point, Manziel is an average passer. LSU and Florida dont have to rush more than 4 to contain him. When he can't find a wide open receiver he wants to run and gets sacked or forces it and turns it over.
In that scenario, why in the hell would you stop running the ball with your RB who averaged 6.8 ypc?!?!
Either we are going to learn or we are going to continue to lose.
IMO, our scheme is fine. Yea the turnovers sucked but what do you expect when you put the whole game on a freshman's shoulders? He is going to make mistakes.
Run the fricking ball with your RBs.
I am concerned that twice now, our OC has completely abandoned the run game and put the game completely on the shoulders of a RS freshman QB against two great defenses. Both games started strong because we were balanced. Both games their defense adjusted to shut Manziel down, and we refused to counter.
You gotta take what defenses give you. When LSU went to a 3 man front and weren't stacking the box, we kept passing. Lets be honest, at this point, Manziel is an average passer. LSU and Florida dont have to rush more than 4 to contain him. When he can't find a wide open receiver he wants to run and gets sacked or forces it and turns it over.
In that scenario, why in the hell would you stop running the ball with your RB who averaged 6.8 ypc?!?!
Either we are going to learn or we are going to continue to lose.
IMO, our scheme is fine. Yea the turnovers sucked but what do you expect when you put the whole game on a freshman's shoulders? He is going to make mistakes.
Run the fricking ball with your RBs.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:09 pm to Bob Ag
The only negative is when playing a physical rushing team your defense is usually on the field most of the game. A few quick stalled drives and the physical team starts having their way with the defense and the clock. One bad game from the offense can be a knock out blow for the season
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:28 pm to PortCityTiger82
I understand a lot of the points made in this thread, I just don't think they match the facts very well of what actually happened in the game.
A&M scored both of their TD's on power running plays in short yardage for instance. Also, this offense is going to vary the definition of a "running play". A run is certainly a QB draw, esp when you have a QB like Manziel. A run is also loosely a quick screen pass in how it is viewed by the coaches. I don't think you need to go with a 2 TE formation with a FB in the I formation to run the football.
I agree that this offense will need to evolve but I think it will. Kevin Sumlin was also the OC at OU when they had Adrian Peterson. The offense itself isn't a classic Air Raid because Air Raid offenses don't have a QB that run as much as Manziel. Throw in the quality of RB's A&M has on the roster and those on the way. Certainly the Air Raid is the base though.
The key to winning in the SEC though is defense, not offense. A dynamic offense is fine so long as the defense is there to make the stops. Spurrier's Florida teams were a great example of this. They were successful early on but once he developed a great defense with Stoops as his DC they were dominant and won a NC.
Also, Time of possession was 30:10 for A&M, 29:50 for LSU. A&M had one 3 and out in the 2nd Half and that was on after the KO return. On the series Manziel went the wrong way away from the hole and a walk in TD on 1st Down and made a terrible throw on 3rd down when he had an open Receiver.
Offensively the key is eliminating the mistakes and Manziel mastering the Air Raid. For instance A&M played La Tech the previous week and though they did not have the same talent as A&M (outside of one WR that was fantastic) the execution of the Air Raid they ran was amazing and they really made no major mistakes offensively. If A&M can get their execution to that level with the talent they have available I don't know how you stop it.
Defensively the key is recruiting more than anything. A&M needs depth and talent. I actually think the scheme works well and have been pleased with Snyder at DC. We desperately need DB's and more depth to take the next steps though I have been very pleased with what our D has done so far considering the limitations we have.
A&M scored both of their TD's on power running plays in short yardage for instance. Also, this offense is going to vary the definition of a "running play". A run is certainly a QB draw, esp when you have a QB like Manziel. A run is also loosely a quick screen pass in how it is viewed by the coaches. I don't think you need to go with a 2 TE formation with a FB in the I formation to run the football.
I agree that this offense will need to evolve but I think it will. Kevin Sumlin was also the OC at OU when they had Adrian Peterson. The offense itself isn't a classic Air Raid because Air Raid offenses don't have a QB that run as much as Manziel. Throw in the quality of RB's A&M has on the roster and those on the way. Certainly the Air Raid is the base though.
The key to winning in the SEC though is defense, not offense. A dynamic offense is fine so long as the defense is there to make the stops. Spurrier's Florida teams were a great example of this. They were successful early on but once he developed a great defense with Stoops as his DC they were dominant and won a NC.
Also, Time of possession was 30:10 for A&M, 29:50 for LSU. A&M had one 3 and out in the 2nd Half and that was on after the KO return. On the series Manziel went the wrong way away from the hole and a walk in TD on 1st Down and made a terrible throw on 3rd down when he had an open Receiver.
Offensively the key is eliminating the mistakes and Manziel mastering the Air Raid. For instance A&M played La Tech the previous week and though they did not have the same talent as A&M (outside of one WR that was fantastic) the execution of the Air Raid they ran was amazing and they really made no major mistakes offensively. If A&M can get their execution to that level with the talent they have available I don't know how you stop it.
Defensively the key is recruiting more than anything. A&M needs depth and talent. I actually think the scheme works well and have been pleased with Snyder at DC. We desperately need DB's and more depth to take the next steps though I have been very pleased with what our D has done so far considering the limitations we have.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:48 pm to aggressor
Our offense is beyond putrid this year. Watch A&M's time of possession vs Bama. That game should tell the story.
This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 10/23/12 at 11:18 pm to TigerBait2008
You are stacked but guess what we aren't. You survived us with stacked talent. Sumlin us a beast.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 12:31 am to cyde
i said this and got nailed to the cross right after the game
this game, was about as much in the bag as a game can possibly be. 56 fricking passes in the SEC.. hal mummie wasn't that bad (I don't think) . that shite isn't' gonna work. under no circusmtnaces that don't include cam newton'
this game, was about as much in the bag as a game can possibly be. 56 fricking passes in the SEC.. hal mummie wasn't that bad (I don't think) . that shite isn't' gonna work. under no circusmtnaces that don't include cam newton'
Posted on 10/24/12 at 12:46 am to PortCityTiger82
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I understand a lot of the points made in this thread, I just don't think they match the facts very well of what actually happened in the game. A&M scored both of their TD's on power running plays in short yardage for instance. Also, this offense is going to vary the definition of a "running play". A run is certainly a QB draw, esp when you have a QB like Manziel. A run is also loosely a quick screen pass in how it is viewed by the coaches. I don't think you need to go with a 2 TE formation with a FB in the I formation to run the football. I agree that this offense will need to evolve but I think it will. Kevin Sumlin was also the OC at OU when they had Adrian Peterson. The offense itself isn't a classic Air Raid because Air Raid offenses don't have a QB that run as much as Manziel. Throw in the quality of RB's A&M has on the roster and those on the way. Certainly the Air Raid is the base though. The key to winning in the SEC though is defense, not offense. A dynamic offense is fine so long as the defense is there to make the stops. Spurrier's Florida teams were a great example of this. They were successful early on but once he developed a great defense with Stoops as his DC they were dominant and won a NC. Also, Time of possession was 30:10 for A&M, 29:50 for LSU. A&M had one 3 and out in the 2nd Half and that was on after the KO return. On the series Manziel went the wrong way away from the hole and a walk in TD on 1st Down and made a terrible throw on 3rd down when he had an open Receiver. Offensively the key is eliminating the mistakes and Manziel mastering the Air Raid. For instance A&M played La Tech the previous week and though they did not have the same talent as A&M (outside of one WR that was fantastic) the execution of the Air Raid they ran was amazing and they really made no major mistakes offensively. If A&M can get their execution to that level with the talent they have available I don't know how you stop it. Defensively the key is recruiting more than anything. A&M needs depth and talent. I actually think the scheme works well and have been pleased with Snyder at DC. We desperately need DB's and more depth to take the next steps though I have been very pleased with what our D has done so far considering the limitations we have.
you are fricking clueless
you lost the game becuase you made it to the LSU side of the field 8 times in the first 55 mintues of the game and came away with 1 touchdown.
you lost the game beucase unlike the Big 12, you are going to play NFL calibur secondarys on a weekly basis. Here is a hard fact for yo azz. You want to know the highest ranked player in the secondary that got drafted from the big 12 last year? I know this off the top of my head (I'm a draftnik). Jamell Flemming from OU in the 3rd round. The only other coener from the big 12 that was even drafted came from your team in the 7th round.
The SEC on the other hand, had 4 taken.. int he first round. 3.. int he top 10. 80% of all secondary players in the first round were taken from the SEC.
and this isn't an SEC chest bump post. this is a this shite is not gonna work against NFL secondary players post. ti's not gonna work. it's not gonna work. because nfl caliber players make plays. Eric Reid? he's pretty fricking good lol. eventually a player of eric reids calibur if you throw the ball 58 fricking times is going to realize you are throwing the ball and is going to shut the shite down, being an all american and all.
but as bad as that shite is, THAT'S not the number 1 reason you lost. you lost beucase while you won the TOP, that number is extremely slatned towards the first half. antoher songofthesword state fo yo azz; you only had the ball for a grand total of 12 minutes and 6 seconds in the 2nd half. if you take out the 2 bullshite drives you had after lsu put the game away you didnt' have teh ball for 10 minutes in the 2nd half.
and that is why you fricking lost. your defense got tired from being on the field. they got pounded into the ground and your coach is too stupid to realize lsu was playing rope a dope all game long.
with a team that included Ryan Mallett, Tyler Wilson, DJ Williams (packers), Chris Gragg (first team all sec pre season this year), Greg Childs, Jarius Wright, Joe Adams, Cobi Hamilton... Petrino ran the ball 5% more over his career than he passed it. and you are sititng here aruging me talking about it's the talent. GTFO
Look i get it. you ilke your coach. shite i like your coach. but the offense is not going to fricking work. not in the SEC west when you play alabama and lsu every year. that's 2 auto losses with that offense before you even get out the gate.
and shite, i mean, it's not even like this is a hard fix lol.
1. take a tight end or a full back
2. put him in the game
3. give the ball to michael
4. ???
5. profit.
that's it. you dno't even have to leave the spread. this isn't a 4-5 year fix. this is a 4-5 minute fix. run the motherfricking ball behind the big bad arse o line you have. shite guys
This post was edited on 10/24/12 at 12:53 am
Posted on 10/24/12 at 2:22 am to Bose Ikard
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It's a little silly to act like he got dominated
He was dominated. Outside of the 1st qrtr les shut him down.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 2:27 am to KaiserSoze99
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e Vaunted LSU Super Turbo Awesome Defense was getting arse raped by our running game until BM fumbled.
Good god. You moved the ball for 1 frickin quarter.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 4:49 am to r2d2
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56 freaking passes
Memo to Sumlin : passing does not win games, running the ball does...now, I didnt watch all of the game, but usually that many passes means you are behind in the score? Sumlin must have felt that running wasnt working. Better to run the ball, punt and play defense.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 5:57 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Good god. You moved the ball for 1 frickin quarter.
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Vaunted LSU Super Turbo Awesome Defense was getting arse raped by our running game until BM fumbled.
Good God indeed. You immediately understood my point, didn't you? Some of you are so fricking stupid, I swear to God. DON'T BREED.
Posted on 10/24/12 at 7:52 am to TeLeFaWx
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Spread is not air raid.
Air raid is a version (variant) of the spread, therefore it falls under a spread style offense. When discussing these offenses, the term spread generally applies.
This post was edited on 10/24/12 at 7:58 am
Posted on 10/24/12 at 8:00 am to Projectpat
quote:should have left the big XII offense at home.
Sounds like you're scared about the future. I would be too if I were you.
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