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247 "Team Talent" Rankings for 2017 vs Actual Results
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:50 pm
2017 247 Team Talent Rankings
2017 Final Massey Composite Rankings
Talent Rankings (average)
1. Alabama (93.33)
2. Georgia (91.06)
3. LSU (90.60)
4. Auburn (89.82)
5. Tennessee (88.36)
6. Texas A&M (87.89)
7. Florida (87.73)
8. Ole Miss (87.46)
9. Arkansas (86.42)
10. South Carolina (86.33)
11. Kentucky (85.99)
12. Mississippi State (85.47)
13. Missouri (84.47)
14. Vanderbilt (83.92)
Final Massey Composite Rankings
1. Alabama (1)
2. Georgia (2)
3. Auburn (10)
4. Mississippi State (21)
5. LSU (22)
6. South Carolina (31)
7. Texas A&M (47)
8. Missouri (53)
9. Kentucky (56)
10. Ole Miss (59)
11. Florida (71)
12. Vanderbilt (78)
13. Arkansas (85)
14. Tennessee (91)
Actual vs Talent
1. Mississippi State (+8)
2. Missouri (+5)
3. South Carolina (+4)
4. Kentucky (+2)
4. Vanderbilt (+2)
6. Auburn (+1)
7. Alabama (0)
7. Georgia (0)
9. Texas A&M (-1)
10. LSU (-2)
10. Ole Miss (-2)
12. Arkansas (-4)
12. Florida (-4)
12. Tennessee (-9)
- 8 of 14 teams finished within 2 spots of their "talent ranks"
- The 3 worst actual to talent (Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee) all fired their coach
2017 Final Massey Composite Rankings
Talent Rankings (average)
1. Alabama (93.33)
2. Georgia (91.06)
3. LSU (90.60)
4. Auburn (89.82)
5. Tennessee (88.36)
6. Texas A&M (87.89)
7. Florida (87.73)
8. Ole Miss (87.46)
9. Arkansas (86.42)
10. South Carolina (86.33)
11. Kentucky (85.99)
12. Mississippi State (85.47)
13. Missouri (84.47)
14. Vanderbilt (83.92)
Final Massey Composite Rankings
1. Alabama (1)
2. Georgia (2)
3. Auburn (10)
4. Mississippi State (21)
5. LSU (22)
6. South Carolina (31)
7. Texas A&M (47)
8. Missouri (53)
9. Kentucky (56)
10. Ole Miss (59)
11. Florida (71)
12. Vanderbilt (78)
13. Arkansas (85)
14. Tennessee (91)
Actual vs Talent
1. Mississippi State (+8)
2. Missouri (+5)
3. South Carolina (+4)
4. Kentucky (+2)
4. Vanderbilt (+2)
6. Auburn (+1)
7. Alabama (0)
7. Georgia (0)
9. Texas A&M (-1)
10. LSU (-2)
10. Ole Miss (-2)
12. Arkansas (-4)
12. Florida (-4)
12. Tennessee (-9)
- 8 of 14 teams finished within 2 spots of their "talent ranks"
- The 3 worst actual to talent (Arkansas, Florida, Tennessee) all fired their coach
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 4:51 pm
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I really hope Lyle dies from an infected taint
Posted on 7/8/18 at 4:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Can’t say that any of that is too surprising. Direct correlation to competency at the HC position.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 5:00 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Nationally
Good
Army (134 recruiting, 41 massey = +93)
UCF (55 recruiting, 7 massey = +48)
Boise State (67 recruiting, 25 massey = +42)
Wisconsin (37 recruiting, 4 massey = +33)
Boston College (65 recruiting, 34 massey = +31)
Iowa (49 recruiting, 18 massey = +31)
South Florida (59 recruiting, 28 massey = +31)
Iowa State (56 recruiting, 27 massey = +29)
Washington State (60 recruiting, 33 massey = +27)
Northwestern (41 recruiting, 19 massey = +22)
TCU (32 recruiting, 11 massey = +21)
Penn State (19 recruiting, 6 massey = +13)
Washington (24 recruiting, 12 massey = +12)
Oklahoma (16 recruiting, 8 massey = +8)
Bad
Tennessee (12 recruiting, 91 massey = -79)
Baylor (35 recruiting, 108 massey = -73)
North Carolina (26 recruiting, 90 massey = -64)
Arkansas (22 recruiting, 85 massey = -63)
Florida (17 recruiting, 71 massey = -54)
UCLA (11 recruiting, 60 massey = -49)
Nebraska (29 recruiting, 77 massey = -48)
Maryland (28 recruiting, 73 massey = -45)
Florida State (5 recruiting, 35 massey = -30)
Pittsburgh (34 recruiting, 62 massey = -28)
Texas (12 recruiting, 36 massey = -24)
Michigan (7 recruiting, 26 massey = -19)
Good
Army (134 recruiting, 41 massey = +93)
UCF (55 recruiting, 7 massey = +48)
Boise State (67 recruiting, 25 massey = +42)
Wisconsin (37 recruiting, 4 massey = +33)
Boston College (65 recruiting, 34 massey = +31)
Iowa (49 recruiting, 18 massey = +31)
South Florida (59 recruiting, 28 massey = +31)
Iowa State (56 recruiting, 27 massey = +29)
Washington State (60 recruiting, 33 massey = +27)
Northwestern (41 recruiting, 19 massey = +22)
TCU (32 recruiting, 11 massey = +21)
Penn State (19 recruiting, 6 massey = +13)
Washington (24 recruiting, 12 massey = +12)
Oklahoma (16 recruiting, 8 massey = +8)
Bad
Tennessee (12 recruiting, 91 massey = -79)
Baylor (35 recruiting, 108 massey = -73)
North Carolina (26 recruiting, 90 massey = -64)
Arkansas (22 recruiting, 85 massey = -63)
Florida (17 recruiting, 71 massey = -54)
UCLA (11 recruiting, 60 massey = -49)
Nebraska (29 recruiting, 77 massey = -48)
Maryland (28 recruiting, 73 massey = -45)
Florida State (5 recruiting, 35 massey = -30)
Pittsburgh (34 recruiting, 62 massey = -28)
Texas (12 recruiting, 36 massey = -24)
Michigan (7 recruiting, 26 massey = -19)
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 5:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
When do the 2018 talent rankings come out?
Posted on 7/8/18 at 5:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Lol, Bama has about as many 5* players as #2, #3 and #4 combined.
Nothing fishy.
Nothing fishy.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 5:03 pm to BranchDawg
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When do the 2018 talent rankings come out?
Not until right before the season I think - they wait to make sure they have the whole roster. It might be August? Not positive.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 5:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just when I thought I was done saying frick Bert...
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 8:22 pm to aufbfan
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aufbfan
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Lol, Bama has about as many 5* players as #2, #3 and #4 combined.
Nothing fishy.
Why would a good recruit want to come to the best program in football? Wins games and NCs at an unprecedented rate, puts more kids in the NFL, more first rounders, is the top developer of talent, hone your skills by practicing against the best, great facilities, great support staff, great fan support. What is there not to like?
The real question is, why do they have 64 non-five stars vs only 18 five stars ?
Posted on 7/8/18 at 9:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Now this is a great offseason thread. 
Posted on 7/8/18 at 9:55 pm to tattoo
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Why would a good recruit want to come to the best program in football? Wins games and NCs at an unprecedented rate, puts more kids in the NFL, more first rounders, is the top developer of talent, hone your skills by practicing against the best, great facilities, great support staff, great fan support. What is there not to like? The real question is, why do they have 64 non-five stars vs only 18 five stars ?
I’m curious, what was the “dindu nuffin” explanation Bama fans used to give when they signed multiple similar classes fresh off a loss to ULM and no titles to speak of?
Posted on 7/8/18 at 9:58 pm to aufbfan
An Auburn fan talking about someone else cheating. You gotta be fricking kidding me
Posted on 7/8/18 at 9:59 pm to craigbiggio
It's just phan. He's always a turd.
Posted on 7/8/18 at 10:03 pm to craigbiggio
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An Auburn fan talking about someone else cheating. You gotta be fricking kidding me
Yep. We cheat a ton more than everybody else. As evidenced by that one Top 5 class we signed in the Rivals.com era, despite two natty appearances.
I mean, just look at all those strange 5* flips we took from Bama for several years around signing periods.
Hell, Bama even had a 5* OL commit to them on ESPN on NSD, right after they won a natty, and he ended up signing with us.
We even fired an assistant coach for lying about recruiting violations, then randomly paid him an additional $350k 6 months after we axed him. Hush money for sure.
This post was edited on 7/8/18 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 7/8/18 at 11:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:35 am to aufbfan
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aufbfan
Posted on 7/9/18 at 6:49 am to aufbfan
Phan, get a shower. You got so much jelly dripping of you the ants will eat alive if you don’t.
Posted on 7/9/18 at 7:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
Lyle gettin him a ring this year!
Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:09 am to SummerOfGeorge
This shows that if Dan Mullen COULD recruit in the top 10 he would be in the finals on the reg... stay positive florida fans. Maybe one day. We waited 9 years. Maybe it will just take 10 and we weren't patient enough
Posted on 7/9/18 at 10:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
This is very interesting, and it highlights in concrete form the gap that is taking place between the Top 4 teams and then the next best programs.
If you go back and look at the rankings in 2015, 2016, and 2017, and then split the SEC into three tiers: Top 4... Middle Six... and Bottom 4, the top-heavy nature of the SEC becomes more evident.
Top 4 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 903.6
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 909.4
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 922.3
The Middle 6 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 769.3
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 771.9
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 771.9
The Bottom 4 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 641.2
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 646.0
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 649.9
Here are how the three tiers rank in terms of average appreciation:
+18.7 points- The Top 4 Tier
+8.1 points- The Bottom 4 Tier
+2.6 points- The Middle Tier
The Top 4 teams (Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn) have been pulling further ahead in terms of overall talent.... while there's been more parity between the Middle and Bottom tiers.
I suspect this trend will continue when the 2018 data is released.
If you go back and look at the rankings in 2015, 2016, and 2017, and then split the SEC into three tiers: Top 4... Middle Six... and Bottom 4, the top-heavy nature of the SEC becomes more evident.
Top 4 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 903.6
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 909.4
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 922.3
The Middle 6 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 769.3
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 771.9
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 771.9
The Bottom 4 teams:
*In 2015, the average score in this group was 641.2
*In 2016, the average score in this group was 646.0
*In 2017, the average score in this group was 649.9
Here are how the three tiers rank in terms of average appreciation:
+18.7 points- The Top 4 Tier
+8.1 points- The Bottom 4 Tier
+2.6 points- The Middle Tier
The Top 4 teams (Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Auburn) have been pulling further ahead in terms of overall talent.... while there's been more parity between the Middle and Bottom tiers.
I suspect this trend will continue when the 2018 data is released.
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