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Bill Ayers...How did he become such an influential professor of Education?

Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Bama323_15
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 6:27 pm
From what I gather Ayers has been and continues to be very prominent in education circles and even speaking at Common Core events.

How does someone with his past:
1) Get a professors spot at the Univ. of Illinois?
2) Become influential in American K-12 education
3) And allowed to promote Common Core



Posted by stinkdawg
Savannah, smoking by the gas cans
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:05 pm to
Academia loves that crap. Ayers got off on a technicality ( illegal wire taps) and has been the far lefts knight ever since. He lines up well with their agenda.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 8:13 pm to
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He lines up well with their agenda.


What is their agenda?
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/9/15 at 9:22 pm to
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What is their agenda?


If "their" refers to Ayers and people of a similar mindset the agenda would seem to be centered on transforming the U.S. into a socialist/communist country.

Ayers education goals seem to center on changing the way in which students view the world and using the label of "education reform" to guide schools in that direction. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge spent millions on education reform. The CAG's own study of its effectiveness indicated that its millions of dollars produced zero academic gains.

That seems ridiculous until you remember what Ayers has proclaimed needed to happen in the U.S. His brand of education has little to do with academic gains and is about changing the values of our students. Maybe that explains why the CAG produced no discernable academic improvements and focused on Language Arts and Social Studies?

I just find it troublesome that someone such as Ayers continues to have such influence.

I was also surprised to discover the Communist desires of John Dewey...a huge person of influence in education.
Posted by tigerbait2010
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 10:47 pm to
I wish he wouldn't touch Common Core with a 10 ft pole, because I'm actually a fan of it
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:46 pm to
Actually I asked him what the "left's" agenda is so we will let him answer that specifically.


But for you I am interested in what do you think of Dinesh D'Souza and his brand of American Exceptionalism?
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:24 am to
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But for you I am interested in what do you think of Dinesh D'Souza and his brand of American Exceptionalism



Is he involved with education reform and policy?

I actually know very little about him. I have seen some clips of debates between he and Ayers.

Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:48 am to
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wish he wouldn't touch Common Core with a 10 ft pole, because I'm actually a fan of it



I think he and other radicals have had a major influence with Common Core and will continue to as well.

I really see this as a "Catch 22." The need for similar standards across the country is obvious to me. However, I am uncomfortable with the ever increasing role of the federal government in education.

But even more concerning to me is the involvement of people like Ayers. Many of the educational elite, past and present, seem to interested in using education reform, higher standards etc. as a way of pushing their vision of America into the schools while hiding behind the idea of academic improvement.



Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4040 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:54 am to
Which talk-radio show has brought on this concern?
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 7:02 am to
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Which talk-radio show has brought on this concern?



I have not listened to anyone.

I began researching the forces behind education reform several years ago.

Topics ranging from the Broad Superintendent's Academy to Common Core.

But in an attempt to be transparent, I do identify myself as a Conservative, Christian, middle class, white, proud to be an American. Even if I don't listen to talk radio.


Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4040 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 7:11 am to


Usually, when Ayers is brought up a ad for buying gold follows.
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 8:05 am to
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Usually, when Ayers is brought up a ad for buying gold follows.




I agree.
It is also difficult to have these conversations without everyone attempting to push each participant into polar opposite corners of the ring.

Even though I identify myself as Christian I do understand the importance of public schools not teaching students to be Christian. That is a decision that must be left to the student and parent, and hopefully from my perspective, someone who shares the Gospel in a non-captive audience situation.

With that said, I do not think most people realize the impact Ayers and other fringe elements are having on education policy.



ETA: When I started on this most recent "research" I did not intend it to be about Ayers. I started out just looking at Common Core, its foundations etc., and this kept bringing me to Ayers, along with several other radicals, Ayers just has the most name recognition I guess.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 8:08 am
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 8:47 am to
quote:

But in an attempt to be transparent, I do identify myself as a Conservative, Christian, middle class, white, proud to be an American. Even if I don't listen to talk radio.



Sorry buddy, you just listed off all the reasons why your opinion doesn't matter to the left.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 8:49 am to
quote:

But for you I am interested in what do you think of Dinesh D'Souza and his brand of American Exceptionalism?



Has nothing to do with Education or Ayers. Nice blimp though.

quote:

Actually I asked him what the "left's" agenda is so we will let him answer that specifically.



Specifically to change the values of children through public education in order to encourage socialist change over time. Even the bible knew this: Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is grown, he will not stray from it.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28818 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:03 am to
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But for you I am interested in what do you think of Dinesh D'Souza and his brand of American Exceptionalism?


Excellent red herring. I would love to watch a live stream of you strapped down and forced to watch America.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:06 am to
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Excellent red herring. I would love to watch a live stream of you strapped down and forced to watch America.



Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15288 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:55 am to
Yea ive seen it. Typical state propaganda. Wasnt surprised to find out he was a GOP campaign financer who got caught illegally transferring funds using his mistress of all people and wife without her knowledge as well.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 9:56 am to
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Yea ive seen it. Typical state propaganda. Wasnt surprised to find out he was a GOP campaign financer who got caught illegally transferring funds using his mistress of all people and wife without her knowledge as well.



There is no hope for you.
Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:46 pm to
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Sorry buddy, you just listed off all the reasons why your opinion doesn't matter to the left.




Posted by Bama323_15
Member since Jan 2013
2100 posts
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:09 pm to
Back to Ayers:

An admitted communist with a history of attempting to violently change what he sees as wrong with America, has been very adeptly focused on changing minds via K-12.

As I have stated, I do not believe public schools should be forcing Christian religion on students and I am certain Ayers would agree. However, he sees no problem in using schools to promote his worldview on these same students.

Ayers has many quotes of interest on this topic. He has even written that,
"Teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression."

Some would try to frame any dissent to this as racist and wanting to oppress those less fortunate...a type of Delphi technique.

Ayers is still a radical revolutionary and he continues his efforts of transforming our nation into his vision. It is rather disconcerting as you realize how many education organizations and think tanks he and his fellow radicals have infiltrated and/or control.
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