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Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:08 pm
In a fake field goal situation, how can the holder be an active participant in the play? Take a play that LSU ran a few times in one season for example. The ball was snapped to the holder, and the holder then threw the ball over his own head to the kicker, who tried to run for a first down. If the holder possessed the ball with a knee on the turf, should he not be down? The same would apply in situations where the kicker acts like he is going to kick but the holder stands up and either runs or tries to throw. Just curious what the loophole is there. Also, how is spiking the ball to stop the clock not intentional grounding?
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:09 pm to PiggieSmalls
The holder would be down on every single XP or FG if they wanted to get technical.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:10 pm to PiggieSmalls
It does not apply to the holder.
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:10 pm to PiggieSmalls
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
I'm sure there is a rule constituting plays involving a kick. I'm just not sure about the fakes
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:12 pm to sharpSee
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sharpSee
Maybe you should google the proper way to spell football
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:20 pm to PiggieSmalls
I assume on a field goal attempt, the holders knee on the ground is his set position in the same way a lineman is in a three point stance. As far as clocking the ball, it is simply an understood rule of the game that is accepted for stopping the clock in exchange for a loss of down. I don't have a rule book in front of me, but I am probably pretty close to the answer. 
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:24 pm to PiggieSmalls
Holder exempt
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:23 pm to PiggieSmalls
Refs usually look the other way, but a good holder never puts his knee on the ground in case Fire is called. My holders always had that knee an inch or so off the ground.
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Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:30 pm to PiggieSmalls
To be called intentional grounding, the quarterback must be throwing the ball away to avoid a sack.
Posted on 2/22/15 at 11:35 pm to CroakaBait
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Refs usually look the other way, but a good holder never puts his knee on the ground in case Fire is called. My holders always had that knee an inch or so off the ground.
I don't think this is very common at the collegiate level. I can't find a single picture with a holder that doesn't have his knee on the ground.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:12 am to TheCheshireHog
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I don't think this is very common at the collegiate level. I can't find a single picture with a holder that doesn't have his knee on the ground.
This was my thought as well. They always seem to have a knee on the ground.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:17 am to PiggieSmalls
It's obvious that you haven't noticed the small rag/towel that the holder places between the ground and his knee, so technically his knee isn't touching the ground, huh? 
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:27 am to TheCheshireHog
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The holder would be down on every single XP or FG if they wanted to get technical.
Wow. Do you not think refs "get technical" on these plays? The holder is able to do whatever he wants from the kneeling position, be it get up and run, or pass the ball along.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:35 am to buckRogers
The answers are HERE
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Posted on 2/23/15 at 8:39 am to PiggieSmalls
So, in the case of a fake, you seriously think the play should be blown dead since the holders knee is on the ground?
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:08 am to TheCheshireHog
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The holder would be down on every single XP or FG if they wanted to get technical.
fricking idiot.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:09 am to PiggieSmalls
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ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead:
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b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot [Exception: The ball remains alive when an offensive player has simulated a kick or at the snap is in position to kick the ball held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or advanced by rule]
That took me 3 seconds to google.
This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:33 am to arrakis
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The answers are HERE
....download a copy; it's free
The link's no good. Also if I'm wrong, instead of throwing the book at me you could find the discrepancy yourself.
Posted on 2/23/15 at 9:35 am to PiggieSmalls
the holder is essentially the "tee" until he stands up or fumbles/throws the ball. at that point, he owns "possession".
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