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Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:11 pm
Help me with all of the suspensions.
Jones - Busted up an apartment/No criminal charges - Booted
Beidschied - Don't remember???? - Booted
Gant - Got in a fight/Criminal charges - Suspended
Allen - Got in a fight/Criminal charges - Suspended
Isabel - Doesn't like coach or team mates - Suspended 3 games now
Clark - Can't remember???? - Suspended 1 game
Teki - Broke Curfew/No criminal charges - Suspended 2 games now
Wright - Broke Curfew/No criminal charges - Suspended 2 games now
Bello - Can't remember???? - Suspended 7 games
Gant - NCAA problems - Sat out 9 games
Any of those wrong? Can any of the blanks be filled in?
Jones - Busted up an apartment/No criminal charges - Booted
Beidschied - Don't remember???? - Booted
Gant - Got in a fight/Criminal charges - Suspended
Allen - Got in a fight/Criminal charges - Suspended
Isabel - Doesn't like coach or team mates - Suspended 3 games now
Clark - Can't remember???? - Suspended 1 game
Teki - Broke Curfew/No criminal charges - Suspended 2 games now
Wright - Broke Curfew/No criminal charges - Suspended 2 games now
Bello - Can't remember???? - Suspended 7 games
Gant - NCAA problems - Sat out 9 games
Any of those wrong? Can any of the blanks be filled in?
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:26 pm to reedus23
I thought beidscied just decided to leave after KA was hired. Wasn't really following then so could easily be wrong.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:47 pm to AKTigerChief
I think its more than that, he was having alcohol/drug problems too. Plus he has an attitude issue.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:52 pm to mizslu314
What about Clark and Bello?
I can't believe Clark was weed again. That would have stuck out to me as his second offense.
I can't believe Clark was weed again. That would have stuck out to me as his second offense.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:57 pm to reedus23
I can't remember either. I really hope next year retains most of the players and they can all kinda laugh and bond about being in KAs doghouse. And hopefully be a good example for next years freshmen.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 2:59 pm to reedus23
If KA is expecting a team full of choir boys like he had in D2, he's in the wrong place. If he's trying to instill reasonable discipline and having this many problems, we either have a team full of tPOS, or he's not a very motivational leader. This is disturbing.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:20 pm to semotruman
Semo I agree. I think he is just completely out of his element. Which really does make me think that he agreed to be a short term bridge to someone else.
Conspiracy theories > watching this team play.
Conspiracy theories > watching this team play.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 3:24 pm to reedus23
Cam. Beid. chose to transfer out. He was never suspended or booted by Anderson.
Torren Jones was given a chance to take responsibility for a legal problem and fix it. he chose not to. The AD required his dismissal at that point, not Anderson.
Bello was academically ineligible for a few games as per AD standards, not Anderson's judgement.
Torren Jones was given a chance to take responsibility for a legal problem and fix it. he chose not to. The AD required his dismissal at that point, not Anderson.
Bello was academically ineligible for a few games as per AD standards, not Anderson's judgement.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:23 pm to notsince98
Not like they were going anywhere anyway. I'll give Kim the benefit of the doubt this year as he's implementing his system.
Exact opposite of Haith. He's building it from scratch.
Exact opposite of Haith. He's building it from scratch.
This post was edited on 2/10/15 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:24 pm to semotruman
You obviously have never had kids or have been in a management position. When you are the boss/parent you have to make hard decisions when it comes to discipline. When you are told the rules, you follow them even if you think they are trivial or stupid. It doesn't make the players tPOS's-it means they need to be taught how the real world operates. Sure, the kids can transfer to another school if they don't like it but when basketball is over they can't transfer-away when the going gets rough with a job,ect. Aren't these kids supposed to be learning some life lessons or do we just care about the win-loss record? BTW, to suggest that KA had a bunch of "choir boys" at UCM shows how little you know about his years there. I still shake my head at some people who were outraged when Mike Dixon and DGB were cut loose-yah, that's the kind of kid I want representing my alma mater.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:27 pm to notsince98
Not sure what the difference is between Anderson and, well Anderson.
LINK from 2008
Obviously these kids didn't go out to a nightclub and start punching people in the face, but I remember the game after Club Athena happened Mizzou played Nebraska with about 6 scholarship players and there was a full house out to support them. I get that this team has lost a ton of games and that erodes some goodwill, but a guy suspending players for being sh*theads doesn't necessarily mean he's out of his element.
I just think you've gotta give him some time and can't make too many judgments after one year.
LINK from 2008
Obviously these kids didn't go out to a nightclub and start punching people in the face, but I remember the game after Club Athena happened Mizzou played Nebraska with about 6 scholarship players and there was a full house out to support them. I get that this team has lost a ton of games and that erodes some goodwill, but a guy suspending players for being sh*theads doesn't necessarily mean he's out of his element.
I just think you've gotta give him some time and can't make too many judgments after one year.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:29 pm to NEMizzou
Haters gonna hate and right now Semo and Reedux are just leading the pack.
I'm sure they'll change their tune if Anderson starts winning some games.
I'm sure they'll change their tune if Anderson starts winning some games.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:37 pm to UOFMO
I think the point is that this has been an ongoing problem since the summer. So either KA is effective in his managerial style but the kids just don't give a damn, in which case they need to go, or KA's managerial style isn't effective because it is continuing to be an issue. So I think semo does get it. Having to make hard decisions has nothing to do with it. It is the ongoing nature and volume of incidents that is the problem.
As a fan, I care about wins/losses. Would I like them to be taught life lessons along the way? Most obviously. In other words, if KA's plan is to teach kids life lessons with wins/losses being a second thought, then I wish him luck. I won't follow, but I hope they learn a lot.
You bring up DGB and Dixon. Are you suggesting that what these basketball players rose to the level of allegedly raping and assaulting women? Here, I think most understood Dixon had to go after it was learned there were 2 incidents. Same for DGB with the number of do-overs he received.
As a fan, I care about wins/losses. Would I like them to be taught life lessons along the way? Most obviously. In other words, if KA's plan is to teach kids life lessons with wins/losses being a second thought, then I wish him luck. I won't follow, but I hope they learn a lot.
You bring up DGB and Dixon. Are you suggesting that what these basketball players rose to the level of allegedly raping and assaulting women? Here, I think most understood Dixon had to go after it was learned there were 2 incidents. Same for DGB with the number of do-overs he received.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:40 pm to NEMizzou
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Not sure what the difference is between Anderson and, well Anderson.
I thought about that too and it's a good point.
My take on it is in one situation, you are dealing with an ongoing problem where the message just isn't getting through. In the other situation, it centered around events over a short period of time and if I remember correctly, those that stayed, I don't remember having more problems with them, though my memory on that could be faulty.
The other obvious distinction is what you already pointed out, the severity of the infractions. Assaulting people versus college kids drinking. I get the need for discipline and understood the 1st game suspension, but it does make me scratch my head with this 2nd game. Seems he's just going a bit overboard for something that every college kid does.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:44 pm to notsince98
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I'm sure they'll change their tune if Anderson starts winning some games.
I truly hope KA does turn it around. I couldn't be happier. But it won't change my opinion that this has been a shitastic season that is unwatchable.
I do get what KA is trying to do. I've compared it to Dick Vermeil and how he tore down the building when he came to the Rams, just to build it up the way he wanted to. Next thing you know, a few years later, he won a Super Bowl. Can KA do the same thing? Time will tell. I think it's tougher at the college level where you have to worry about convincing kids to come play for you versus the pros where they're at where they're at because of contract and not going anywhere.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:45 pm to reedus23
I pointed Dixon and DGB out because YOU are the one, in the OP, kept pointing out "no criminal charges, no criminal charges." Dixon and DGB faced no criminal charges, either. An arrest or filing of charges, or the lack thereof, is not much of an indicator of anything.
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Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:45 pm to notsince98
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I'm sure they'll change their tune if Anderson starts winning some games.
IF is the key term there. He has to step up his recruiting and not suspended every damn player on the team. It should never be ok to sacrifice a season like he is, it's just ridiculous. The team doesn't play hard for him either, which is a major red flag too. I'm so sick of the excuses too, there's a million excuses for anything if you want to look for them. At the end of the day, all that really matters is wins and losses.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:49 pm to reedus23
Does anyone have a problem that a kid that didn't do anything that rose to criminal charges received a much harsher punishment than kids that did have criminal charges leveled against them for their behavior?
And before notsince thinks I'm railing on KA, I'm not. Whether it was the AD or someone else at the school or KA that made the decision, it seems that there is some inequality in the level of punishments handed down.
And I think I just remembered why Clark got suspended. Wasn't it because he talked to some Golden Girls?
And before notsince thinks I'm railing on KA, I'm not. Whether it was the AD or someone else at the school or KA that made the decision, it seems that there is some inequality in the level of punishments handed down.
And I think I just remembered why Clark got suspended. Wasn't it because he talked to some Golden Girls?
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:51 pm to mosoblkcougar
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At the end of the day, all that really matters is wins and losses.
Bet Bobby Petrino is your hero.
Posted on 2/10/15 at 4:53 pm to UOFMO
Got it. Fair enough.
I only pointed out the criminal charges because it seemed to me that Jones got a stiff deal. Again, before the KA defenders go hog wild on me, I'm not even saying that was KA's decision. But assuming it was the AD's decision even, it just seems harsh, when others did do things that resulted in criminal charges. I'm not excusing Jones' conduct. He busted some stuff up. It's a civil matter. Punish him and move on. Just seems if that's all there was, it's a bit harsh. And no, busting up some stuff is no where near allegedly raping/assaulting women.
I only pointed out the criminal charges because it seemed to me that Jones got a stiff deal. Again, before the KA defenders go hog wild on me, I'm not even saying that was KA's decision. But assuming it was the AD's decision even, it just seems harsh, when others did do things that resulted in criminal charges. I'm not excusing Jones' conduct. He busted some stuff up. It's a civil matter. Punish him and move on. Just seems if that's all there was, it's a bit harsh. And no, busting up some stuff is no where near allegedly raping/assaulting women.
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