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Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:24 pm to StringedInstruments
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It's impossible to hate white people because their privilege places them in a stratosphere that is above the concept of receiving hate.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:25 pm to 14&Counting
Introducing that would have hurt the prosecution. The defense could have pandered to the rapist being a "angered, oppressed young man full of rightful rage"
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Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:26 pm to ipodking
quote:I wonder what the white rapist was thinking when he said that
Just put a bullet in him and be done with it
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:26 pm to 14&Counting
because both prosecuters and defense realized it would have tainted the whole trial. Instead of barbaric and violent sex acts against a woman it would have been all about racism, and the racists from both sides would have been screaming...white racists screaming about hyprocrisy ridiculous double standards and black racists screaming about how his mind was warped by 300 years of racism; guy was piece of shite who happened to be black just like the other guy was a piece of shite who happened to be white.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:26 pm to 14&Counting
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meh..whatever....the whole thing is sad....girl will be forever scarred and these guys have ruined their lives.
That is the real story here.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:40 pm to 14&Counting
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if that actually occured, why was it not introduced into eveidence? i don't get that?
Because it would be extraordinarily prejudicial against the defendant.
You'll not the quote in the OP said that the defense and the prosecution agreed to keep it out of the trial.
The defense would want it out for very obvious reasons. It would, on the surface, seem like something the prosecution would love to get in but consider that the statement does nothing to either prove or disprove the allegations. All it shows is that he hates white people, which isn't a crime.
Would it have helped them get a conviction at the trial court level? Of course, but the defense would have been given an avenue of appeal on a silver platter and in the long run the state may have had to try him again. By voluntarily keeping it of the trial, they still got the conviction with a far less chance of seeing it overturned later.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:47 pm to JustGetItRight
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All it shows is that he hates white people, which isn't a crime.
I would love to agree with you here but the defendant was white and the victim were white and he said he hated black people then you'd have folks demanding that a hate crime occurred.
I think the entire concept of a hate crime is stupid. It makes as much sense as laws in Europe making Holocaust denial a crime.
But hate crimes do carry harsher penalties in this country, dumb as I think that may be. They exist only to make people feel better about "doing something" about white racists or gay haters or whoever it is they are targeting as opposed to just focusing on the actual crime that was committed and whether it was premeditated or not.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:49 pm to BrerTiger
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didn't want to start a race riot
White people haven't started a race riot in 50 years.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:51 pm to BrerTiger
Keep in mind Vandenburg, who is white, directed this shite though and did so while it was happening. He wanted that girl, his girlfriend, raped and humiliated and 'coached' Batey and the others -- told them what to do and encouraged them as they were doing it. I kinda feel like that statement was just another means for Vandenburg to assert control and get his rocks off. He couldn't get an erection that night (blamed cocaine but I'm not so sure since he went to her the next day telling her how she was so sick and he had to spend the night taking care of her and according to her she felt absolutely awful for things he said she'd done/being drunk). He also had sex with her then and according to her testimony lasted a few seconds.
TBH, I think Vandenburg is a serial rapist, perhaps worse, in the making. His sexual problems, mad laughter as it was going on, and directing others on what to do fits that profile. I'm not so sure he wouldn't have graduated to serial rape/murder due to that. Hopefully, we'll never know due to him getting caught (I doubt this was his first time tho'). JMO.
TBH, I think Vandenburg is a serial rapist, perhaps worse, in the making. His sexual problems, mad laughter as it was going on, and directing others on what to do fits that profile. I'm not so sure he wouldn't have graduated to serial rape/murder due to that. Hopefully, we'll never know due to him getting caught (I doubt this was his first time tho'). JMO.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:54 pm to Carolina_Girl
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I have this really sick feeling that had the roles been reversed, that statement would have been made the epicenter of the entire case.
Unfortunately, past history teaches this truth. Horrible actions, regardless of color, but there is no denying the displays of vindictive, racial hatred in this crime. A lot of kids today, red, white, black or yellow need to stop and realize that the hate-mongering clouds they were raised under come to no good for anyone.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:55 pm to BrerTiger
Reverse races and change some words and it's on CNN for a 2 days straight
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:05 pm to Prof
Jesus, man. I didn't know all of that stuff. Dude is not going to make it behind bars.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:17 pm to JuiceTerry
he'll make it behind bars ... and be out in a few years probably ... rape isn't that big a deal to the courts or society ...
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:20 pm to JuiceTerry
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Jesus, man. I didn't know all of that stuff. Dude is not going to make it behind bars.
IIRC, 20 years with no chance of parole is the minimum for him (could be 15) but I bet it will be much longer. This is the one time I wouldn't mind a convict being declared a danger and sent to an institution when his time is up (normally I find that shady) but Vandenburg, imo, is a serious danger. This just does not come across as a one time thing for him and TBH, I'm not sure the others would've raped anyone without a guy like Vandenburg in the mix -- those frickers know how to get people to do what they want. Don't get me wrong - they're are still 100 percent culpable and should be convicted and sentenced to the max for it and on some level had to have it in them to do such a monstrous thing (I'm just saying he was the catalyst).
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:26 pm to Prof
wow. i clearly dont know all that much about this case.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:27 pm to BrerTiger
Where's Sharpton or Jesse Jackson on this
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:37 pm to BrerTiger
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I would want to go Samuel L. Jackson on any sumbitch of any race who raped my daughter.
Forget that....I'm going Ving Rhames..
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:37 pm to bbap
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wow. i clearly dont know all that much about this case.
It was completely kept under wraps until trial but the details are stomach churning. It's no simple rape (not that any rape is simple but you get the idea), not even a "simple" gang rape. I mean, I'm fairly even handed about the courts (the courts are a money game and frick up too much, imo) and I still harbor the notion that that some, certainly not all but many since most are in for non-violent crimes, can be reformed. And I'm also not the type to that says fry him every case and I can usually hold my tongue about what I want to see happen to violent offenders but Vandenburg makes me say string the motherfricker up by his balls. He tests me big time.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 1:39 pm to Prof
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Keep in mind Vandenburg, who is white, directed this shite though and did so while it was happening. He wanted that girl, his girlfriend, raped and humiliated and 'coached' Batey and the others -- told them what to do and encouraged them as they were doing it. I kinda feel like that statement was just another means for Vandenburg to assert control and get his rocks off. He couldn't get an erection that night (blamed cocaine but I'm not so sure since he went to her the next day telling her how she was so sick and he had to spend the night taking care of her and according to her she felt absolutely awful for things he said she'd done/being drunk). He also had sex with her then and according to her testimony lasted a few seconds.
What the fricking shitballs!?
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