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re: Mind Blown: E=M?^2

Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:28 pm to
Yes. I'm just hoping it holds up.
Posted by CatFan81
Decatur, GA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:37 pm to
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You sonsabitches need to save this kind of crap for Monday.


This. My wine soaked brain can't deal.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:44 pm to
Got let the good ideas marinate before being fully fleshed out
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:13 pm to
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"C" may not be so "C" anymore ....

LINK

Could be an interesting year for relativity.


If they change the particle they change the equation.

Period.

E=MC^2 remains the same but changes, with the altered particle, to something like E=MA^2 or thereabouts.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:16 pm to
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So is light is no longer a constant, it varies depending on the shape of the photons?


Light, natural unaltered light, as we know it, remains a constant.

The altered photo particle becomes manmade much like man made elements and, therefore, cannot be considered a constant because it does not occur in a natural state.

Therefore the same equation does not apply to the man made altered photon but it still applies to natural light particles.
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:46 pm to
Only if you accept that light photons can't be/aren't altered in "nature" ...
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:59 pm to
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Light, natural unaltered light, as we know it, remains a constant.

At this point I find myself subscribing to this view. The "mask" as they call it has altered the photon in a manner that is unlikely to occur in nature, at least to any significant degree of frequency. The speed of light in a vacuum is STILL a constant; it's just that we now know that we can reduce the velocity of a single photon, apparently permanently. If the constancy of the Constant is hereby compromised then I'm not grasping it.

If we could INCREASE the speed of a photon to beyond that of C then-- yeah-- this would kill the constant! ...Not to mention usher in a world of ridiculously promising plausibility!

I'm also having trouble accepting that the speed of a single photon is synonymous with the speed of light. Light may well be nothing more than one or more photons, akin to say a human kidney's being nothing more than 250,000 glomeruli, but, then, again, a human kidney is also what "stuff" binds those glomeruli together. It seems to me that "light" as we know it (and are supposed to consider it) is a bit more than the sum of its photons. But I could be wrong here.

What does seem noteworthy to me is that, when light is perceived as a wave we accept that its photons are not traveling in a straight path. They are instead traveling in a wave (let's say sinal, though this is likely an oversimplification). If each singular photon is traveling in a wave, and a given collective of these are traveling at C, then each individual photon is effectively traveling at GREATER THAN C.

I think it's really cool that we have figured out how to slow down photons. I fail to see that this challenges the constant C, or that it opens up too many exciting possibilities. Beyond the 'using slowed down "light" to measure short distances more accurately' application that was mentioned in the article.
Posted by DragginFly
Under the Mountain;By the Lake
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:09 am to
I just emailed this to Reggie Ball. No response yet.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63876 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:10 am to
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Our work highlights that, even in free space, the invariance of the speed of light only applies to plane waves.



The C is still constant.

Jacketfan77 is a science drama queen.

And don't let him fool you.... he never actually went to Georgia Tech.

This post was edited on 1/25/15 at 12:11 am
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2554 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:23 am to
Their work demonstrates a variance in plane waves, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist outside of that - in fact, the work raises the possibility. It's just a fun thought experiment, my OP doesn't suggest otherwise.

PS - I am Tech alum as of last year, not that being or not being a Tech student has any bearing on my ability to speak on the subject. I did work as a TA in Georgia State's Astronomy department (not that that has any bearing either).
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63876 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:42 am to
Well then, in that case, it might be time to get a job.
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2554 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:43 am to
I have a job and own a company. I'm good, man
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63876 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:55 am to
Cool story bro.
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2554 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:57 am to
You're the one calling people out. Don't be sad when the truth is better than your fiction
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63876 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:01 am to
This new paper is pulp fiction. It even uses the metric system.
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2554 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:02 am to
Oh, jeez. When did you become such a cynic? Enjoy a moment of optimistic mystery. The world could use more of it.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63876 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:19 am to


Quentin Tarantino had originally intended "My Sharona" (by The Knack) to be played during the Gimp torture sequence - but the rights had already been licensed to another film, Reality Bites (1994). On top of this, one of the members of the band had become a born again Christian, and didn't want the song to be associated with a scene of sexual violence.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 11:28 am to
Your subject should read something like this: Can the speed of light be slowed down? It's an interesting experiment but it's analogous to 2 runners who normally run the 40 in the same time running a race with one of them having to run high hurdles. It doesn't mean that the speed of light as a constant has been found to be incorrect rather it merely means that under specific conditions they found a way to affect the speed of light. Now let's see if they can speed it up. Those implications would be far more interesting.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 11:37 am to
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CatFan81


quote:

frick trying to understand science


will be in church before you know it.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
Crimson Tide Fan Club
Member since Oct 2012
15574 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 3:20 pm to
God probably just dropped the speed las year to frick with us.
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