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Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:46 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:46 pm to Stonehog
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You really think your comments on a message board will fix anything?
No? Will it HURT anything? What a boring message board if all people did was sit around and agree with each other about how awesome everything is.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:48 pm to Stonehog
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So if your wife cooks a good meal, you don't compliment her? You only comment if the meal is bad?
That's a bit of a nonstarter, because I'm not THAT dumb. Every meal is delicious.
How good her food is doesn't qualify as something that would define the success of our marriage, though. 
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:51 pm to ocelot4ark
Fair enough. You also mentioned business though. Do you think it's a good idea to only point out negative things your employees do, and refrain from commenting on the good things they do?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:52 pm to piggilicious
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i just have felt in the past like you hated us all for not being pissed enough.
That's my fault, then. Because I am TOTALLY not that guy. I hate people being lumped into broad categories, so if I made you feel that way I apologize.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:00 pm to Arkla Missy
I'm pretty much in O's corner here, too. I'm critical as well when we lose. I'd say I'm a bit more a "rah rah" guy when we win, though.
It's part of being a fan, the up's and down's. I would want this board to be all in agreement all the time, that's boring and dishonest.
It's part of being a fan, the up's and down's. I would want this board to be all in agreement all the time, that's boring and dishonest.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:01 pm to cigsmcgee
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the system that would never win on the road?
Black and white again.
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the system that always caused us to get out-rebounded?
Black and white.
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the system that has decent success at two previous stops and has our team improving win totals year after year?
There you go. That's a good thing. Obviously. But improving from the shite show we had after Heath isn't exactly a glowing accomplishment. It's an expected outcome. But that's because I expect that Arkansas basketball should be held to a certain standard.
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the coaches system is always to blame,
Black and white.
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never the players execution
Black and white.
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the university for creating a climate in which attracting top players is difficult
What are you saying?
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maybe you preferred Heath or Pelprey's systems?
Is that all you need? Just be better than Heath or Red? That's your barometer of success?
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or maybe Mike wont win a natty at Arkansas.
Do you think we're anywhere CLOSE to being in that conversation?
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what a total failure. what a shitty coach.
Black and white. I think Mike's a good coach. I just don't think he's good ENOUGH to win a championship. I'd LOVE for him to prove me wrong.
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but he sure as shite is gonna leave us in a far better place than he found it. and i have a feeling he'll never get the credit he'll ultimately deserve if/when he cant meet some people's insane expectations, considering the circumstances.
And this is what it all boils down to. We all have different expectations of this program. Mine, obviously, are higher than yours. No harm in either expectation, but it certainly explains why you're happy simply with improvement. I'm looking for improvement on top of improvement until we're a consistent basketball program that does things on the court that illustrate to me that when they get to the NCAAT they will fare well. Playing shitty defense, for instance, doesn't fare well come NCAAT time.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:04 pm to ocelot4ark
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We all have different expectations of this program. Mine, obviously, are higher than yours.
You said the exact same thing about Bielema in 2013 when people were happy about improvement.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:05 pm to Stonehog
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Fair enough. You also mentioned business though. Do you think it's a good idea to only point out negative things your employees do, and refrain from commenting on the good things they do?
Of course not, but I'm looking at things through a "back office" view. Risk management. We look at the different aspects of the institution (inherent risk, control environment, faulty processes, etc), but when we report to management and the Board we focus on the things that need fixing. "Tell them what they don't know." They already think they're doing everything great, so when we discuss areas that are doing well it's generally, "_________ is appropriate. _______ is well managed, etc, etc." Where the meat of the conversation comes is when we're discussing improvement opportunities. That's where we provide value. The pat on the back is nice, the guidance towards a better business is invaluable.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:08 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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I'm pretty much in O's corner here, too.
You would be, you big dumby.
We're all hog fans. That's something that I hope that people remember. Lord knows I have to remind myself sometimes. So with that said...I wouldn't hesitate to hug/high-five any one of you if you randomly sat next to me at a game and something awesome happened. We're all in this (the agony of being a Hog fan) together.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:15 pm to Stonehog
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You said the exact same thing about Bielema in 2013 when people were happy about improvement.
And I'd have the same point that I've made in this thread. He's won me over substantially since 2013, but he made some pretty boneheaded decisions in 2013 that left me wondering if he had the killer instinct necessary. That didn't mean I felt he couldn't get us to a certain point, only that running trick plays deep in our own territory wasn't a good indicator. For instance. This is why putting everything into a black or white bucket is disingenuous. There are way too many factors.
In March of 2012, when we were ALL feeling really good about Petrino and the football hogs, I could still see/acknowledge that his recruiting left a lot to be desired. We just won 11 games, but I knew he wasn't a great recruiter. We will ALL acknowledge as much now. But if I had said that in March of 2012, I'd be a miserable fan who was just looking for things to be mad about, no matter how right history proved me to be.
Do you see how this moving needle for success can fail to capture EVERYTHING, but that the ultimate measure of success isn't precluded from fruition simply because those weaknesses exist?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:18 pm to ocelot4ark
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You would be, you big dumby.
Que?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:20 pm to ocelot4ark
So if you walked into Mike's office right now, how would you advise him moving forward?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:30 pm to ocelot4ark
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Black and white again.
leave it to Ocelot to paint things racially.
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But improving from the shite show we had after Heath isn't exactly a glowing accomplishment
it kind of is, actually.
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What are you saying?
the UofA hasnt exactly been committed to excellence through the bball program since Nolan. Other SEC schools invested, we hired Pelphrey and showed recruits where they'll share practice time with the ladies.
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That's your barometer of success?
Bert is being lauded for getting football back on track, Mike has done pretty much the exact same thing without half the fan support. Were you happy after getting 6 wins this year? i sure as shite was. is that all i expect going forward? of course not. In bball, we were bottom dwellers and now discussing what seed we are shooting for. Im all for consistent improvement and re-establishing a brand. Mike is doing both.
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I'm looking for improvement on top of improvement until we're a consistent basketball program that does things on the court that illustrate to me that when they get to the NCAAT they will fare well. Playing shitty defense, for instance, doesn't fare well come NCAAT time.
i really dont know how to respond to this. im sorry Mike isnt improving on top of improving enough for you?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:30 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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Que?
I was just messing with ya. Making the joke that to agree with me you had to be a dummy (*dumby - haha).
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:32 pm to Stonehog
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So if you walked into Mike's office right now, how would you advise him moving forward?
I'm not going to regurgitate the things I've said, repeatedly, over the past couple of seasons. But the majority of my time would be spent talking about the defense.
But that's not really the argument here. I'm not claiming to know more than Mike Anderson or anything. I'm just saying that my pointing out something I see as a negative shouldn't open me up to personal attacks (racist!) or ad hominems. I would think on a board mostly comprised of college grads/students that we could be better than that.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:34 pm to cigsmcgee
Dude, I'm not going to waste my time replying to you again if you fail to grasp what I've already said that answers everything you just brought up.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:41 pm to ocelot4ark
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I'm just saying that my pointing out something I see as a negative shouldn't open me up to personal attacks
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If it's good, it doesn't need commenting on...Now if it's bad, I'll comment.
Anyone who readily admits this shouldn't shouldn't expect to be treated well on a board designed for fans of the same team. You act incredulous at the thought that someone would be turned off by this kind of behavior.
You talk about looking at both sides of the issue. You should be able to understand why people would personally attack you when you never post anything good about Arkansas on the Arkansas Sports Board.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 6:09 pm to Stonehog
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Anyone who readily admits this shouldn't shouldn't expect to be treated well on a board designed for fans of the same team.
And this is the difference, evidently, in how my Texas arse was raised. I would think that, as adults, we could expect to treat people well regardless of their opinions. You ask me if my complaining will change anything? Will yours? By stifling any of our opinions about the team, good or bad, will you CHANGE those opinions? No. You're just protecting your own sensibilities from having to hear them. To that, I'd say that you should grow up and realize that not everyone is going to agree with you or how you reach your conclusion.
Do you see me calling you names because you blindly support MA in everything he does? Nope. See how that works. I can disagree with your, evident, denial of any negative aspect of MA's pedigree without calling you names. I'm an adult, though.
But let me ask you, assuming you were old enough to frequent message boards during his tenure, were the people calling for Houston Nutt's head from 2003 onward bad fans? Were they wrong when they would point out his terrible play-calling?
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You should be able to understand why people would personally attack you when you never post anything good about Arkansas on the Arkansas Sports Board.
And this is how I know you only see what you want to see. When I say something good doesn't need commenting, it doesn't mean I haven't pointed out NUMEROUS good things about our football/basketball programs this year. I've made a conscious EFFORT to do as much because of people like you that think pointing out negative aspects make you a bad fan.
I'm done with this. Don't like me? Don't like my opinions? Go ahead and call me names. It gives a helluva lot more of an indication as to the type of person that YOU are than I.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 7:00 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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It's part of being a fan, the up's and down's. I would want this board to be all in agreement all the time, that's boring and dishonest.
Yep, circle jerks aren't interesting.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 7:08 pm to ocelot4ark
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Do you see me calling you names because you blindly support MA in everything he does? Nope. See how that works. I can disagree with your, evident, denial of any negative aspect of MA's pedigree without calling you names. I'm an adult, though.
You said this earlier today in this very same thread.
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How fricking retarded must you be?
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