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re: The Stansbury Dumpster Fire years. #NeverForget
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:46 am to sharpSee
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:46 am to sharpSee
You opened Pandora's box. Just honestly speaking, the ad split the fans with the way he handled it. Stansbury defenders will never be on board for the sake of principles. Stansbury haters are now caught not being able to crow.
The only solution is for the ad to to give msu basketball a complete over haul. Not a new hire, an overhaul. That means state that the budget is getting a massive increase and a great hire is coming. Also, an increase in staff pay.
As long as Ray is there... Half of the fans won't be.
The only solution is for the ad to to give msu basketball a complete over haul. Not a new hire, an overhaul. That means state that the budget is getting a massive increase and a great hire is coming. Also, an increase in staff pay.
As long as Ray is there... Half of the fans won't be.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:07 am to sharpSee
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We should be more critical of Scott versus blaming Stans, IMO.
I wanted us to throw 4 mil at Shaka, FWIW.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:18 am to DynastyDawg
How bad arse is baseball season going to be again though?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:23 am to RealityIs
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As long as Ray is there... Half of the fans won't be.
100% disagree. If Ray had developed a great program, they would be back already. We had some very pissy Polk supporters. Couldn't find one when we were in the finals at Omaha.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:47 am to sharpSee
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We'll be lucky to get an NIT win with Rick Ray in the next 4.
WTF? We made it to the top 32 teams 1 time in the last 6 years. Season ticket holders were deserting the program in droves because the product on the court wasn't very good. Our NCAA record was not a fluke. We just weren't very good. Off the court we were running a fricking special ed basketball program. The Stans Era needed to end when it did.
Ray's time has been terrible, but it does not make me long for the steaming pile of shite that we had with Stans towards the end of his tenure.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:22 am to Allyn McKeen
Not going to completely disagree with you Allyn; however, I think being just good not great would be program changing in these first years of increased TV coverage. We are getting more exposure than ever and people aren't seeing the story we see, we all know that we are trying to not settle and improve, your general viewing public only sees that we are probably the worst basketball team the SEC has had in 20 years.
I think making the move a few years later, reaping the benefits of Rodney Hood and any other big recruits he pulled in, and making the move now that there is more exposure to SEC basketball, would have been an intelligent decision. Settling for a few more seasons wouldn't have been crippling to the program, swinging and missing horribly in prime time may have been.
I think making the move a few years later, reaping the benefits of Rodney Hood and any other big recruits he pulled in, and making the move now that there is more exposure to SEC basketball, would have been an intelligent decision. Settling for a few more seasons wouldn't have been crippling to the program, swinging and missing horribly in prime time may have been.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:29 am to skirpnasty
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I think making the move a few years later, reaping the benefits of Rodney Hood and any other big recruits he pulled in, and making the move now that there is more exposure to SEC basketball, would have been an intelligent decision.
This wouldn't matter. A shitty hire is the problem. Delaying it fixes nothing IMHO.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:48 am to Hardy_Har
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A shitty hire is the problem.
This. It is the only reason that we are discussing Stans.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:38 pm to Allyn McKeen
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WTF? We made it to the top 32 teams 1 time in the last 6 years. Season ticket holders were deserting the program in droves because the product on the court wasn't very good. Our NCAA record was not a fluke. We just weren't very good. Off the court we were running a fricking special ed basketball program.
This is part of the problem and why I made this post. You see a dumpster fire. I look back and say it wasn't all that bad. We also had an SEC Tourney championship in there and 20+ win seasons. That shouldn't be shat upon so quickly.
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The Stans Era needed to end when it did.
Again, I'll say that I agree with this. But can we stop pretending like he was so awful (and that he's to blame for where we are now).
Posted on 1/12/15 at 1:03 pm to Hardy_Har
My point is that now we can afford to throw more money at a legitimate hire and look good doing it, we essentially bluffed with nothing in our hand by doing it when we did.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 1:54 pm to sharpSee
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But can we stop pretending like he was so awful (and that he's to blame for where we are now).
I don't think anyone's pretending he was awful, but his apparent lack of discipline in his last years are in part the fault for where we are now.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:20 pm to ChargerDog91
ChargerDog, just curious what is your opinion on the current state of our basketball program 3 years in to the Rick Ray ERROR
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:24 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Rick Ray ERROR
huehuehuehue
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:34 pm to sharpSee
Yea I'm glad we got rid of the days of players like Varnado, bost, moultrie, hood, etc and are now in the glory days of top level talent like ware, thomas, and sword.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:50 pm to Allyn McKeen
I don't think so. I know that you see it that way, but out side in....it wasnt.
Stansbury did not have the time to rid the bad apples. Correct it.
Had a major hire happened, excitement may have kept people there. But it comes all the way back around..... who are you going to get with that budget.... stop thinking in terms of salary.... budget. Nobody else in The sec has done it. If it was that simple... .....
Stansbury did not have the time to rid the bad apples. Correct it.
Had a major hire happened, excitement may have kept people there. But it comes all the way back around..... who are you going to get with that budget.... stop thinking in terms of salary.... budget. Nobody else in The sec has done it. If it was that simple... .....
Posted on 1/12/15 at 4:55 pm to RealityIs
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Stansbury did not have the time to rid the bad apples.
14 years was just not enough time. That is truly sad.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:40 pm to Allyn McKeen
Oh come on. He didn't have that issue for 14 years.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:15 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
It's definitely not where I thought it'd be. I'm getting to the point of believing that it would be worth a shot at trying another coaching search. We saw improvement in year 1 and year 2 and have completely taken a step back this year.
Do I believe that keeping Stans would've prevented this in hind sight? No. As I've said dozens of times, being around the program Ray's first and second year....it was a mess no matter how you all want to spin it. Ray inherited a mess with discipline. Hood left because of it. Regardless of what you want to tell yourselves. It's pretty obvious that we had a problem when all but one of Stans' former players have been kicked off or transferred.
Oh and btw Sharpsee. Your link about Dre' Applewhite. Story behind that....he made a selfish decision because he wasn't playing the number of minutes HE thought HE should get during HIS redshirt freshman season. Your second and third link backed up my story about Ray having to get rid of the trash Stans' left.
Do I believe that keeping Stans would've prevented this in hind sight? No. As I've said dozens of times, being around the program Ray's first and second year....it was a mess no matter how you all want to spin it. Ray inherited a mess with discipline. Hood left because of it. Regardless of what you want to tell yourselves. It's pretty obvious that we had a problem when all but one of Stans' former players have been kicked off or transferred.
Oh and btw Sharpsee. Your link about Dre' Applewhite. Story behind that....he made a selfish decision because he wasn't playing the number of minutes HE thought HE should get during HIS redshirt freshman season. Your second and third link backed up my story about Ray having to get rid of the trash Stans' left.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:15 pm to RealityIs
The issues had been building since 06 or 07. He had plenty of time.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:17 pm to ChargerDog91
Thank god someone finally agrees with me. 
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