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Should doctors who perform abortions be murdered?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:47 am
Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:47 am
I've seen a few posters who think so in the hypothetical thread, so I wanted to bring the discussion to it's own thread and not derail that one.
I think it's crazy to truly believe this is ok or "good". You may be against abortion and I understand that, but to think someone should be murdered for performing their duties is lunacy.
There are many possible medical reasons why abortions need to be performed and the world is not so black and white. Who are we to judge those who have to make those tough decisions? Also, I'd implore you to read this article about the last clinic in Mississippi and the doctor who works there.
https://www.esquire.com/features/abortion-ministry-of-dr-willie-parker-0914
I think it's crazy to truly believe this is ok or "good". You may be against abortion and I understand that, but to think someone should be murdered for performing their duties is lunacy.
There are many possible medical reasons why abortions need to be performed and the world is not so black and white. Who are we to judge those who have to make those tough decisions? Also, I'd implore you to read this article about the last clinic in Mississippi and the doctor who works there.
https://www.esquire.com/features/abortion-ministry-of-dr-willie-parker-0914
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:52 am to sharpSee
I wouldn't lose any sleep.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 7:55 am to sharpSee
People who think that way are sick individuals.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:04 am to CatFan81
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People who think that way are sick individuals.
Absolutely. And criminals.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:05 am to sharpSee
frick no. We should murder people who think abortionists should be murdered.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:05 am to CatFan81
Absolutely, or they are just stupid honestly. Just because you disagree with somone doesn't mean you can murder them for doing something legal. If you don't like it, then find a rational way to stop it.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:12 am to sharpSee
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I've seen a few posters who think so in the hypothetical thread, so I wanted to bring the discussion to it's own thread and not derail that one.
I think it's crazy to truly believe this is ok or "good". You may be against abortion and I understand that, but to think someone should be murdered for performing their duties is lunacy.
My statement was specifically regarding third trimester abortions. In my opinion, "doctors" who do so are guilty of murder and I would regard their death as a good thing.
Having said that, I am not going to murder said individuals, and I'm not encouraging others to. Let's agree to have a social contract of sorts. You don't shed tears for the unborn babies who are murdered, and I won't shed tears when the murderers are killed in turn.
And "performing their duties"? Really? Please tell me that's the moral standard you'd like to use for this argument. Please oh please tell me that's what you're basing this on.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:13 am to semotruman
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People who think that way are sick individuals.
Absolutely. And criminals.
Homegirl. Did you really mean to say that I am criminal just for a belief?
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:17 am to sharpSee
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Should doctors who perform abortions be murdered?
People who argue for the "sanctity of life" and then talk about how abortion docs should be murdered blows my mind. I grew up in a pro-life household, I've heard all the arguments for it, but most pro-lifers really only care about life in utero. Once the baby is born everyone bitches about welfare and having to support the child and, heaven forbid, that child ever grows up to commit a crime. Unwanted children, in many cases, usually occur in the poorer strata of society which means those children will likely grow up on government assistance. If you want to ensure that the child is born, you then have a moral obligation to care for that child; don't bitch about your tax dollars being spent to support that child's family because the mother was forced to give birth to him/her.
My father is horrible about this. He thinks that all unborn children are so innocent and need to be protected, but once out of the womb he thinks that the families should be on their own and that people like Michael Brown and Eric Garner "get what's coming to them". Human life is human life, if you believe in the sanctity of it, that encompasses all.
Me, I just think more people need to die, period.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:17 am to FleshEatingSalsa
third trimester abortions
Makes me cringe just reading that.
Makes me cringe just reading that.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:21 am to sharpSee
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:24 am to crispyUGA
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People who argue for the "sanctity of life" and then talk about how abortion docs should be murdered blows my mind. I grew up in a pro-life household, I've heard all the arguments for it, but most pro-lifers really only care about life in utero. Once the baby is born everyone bitches about welfare and having to support the child and, heaven forbid, that child ever grows up to commit a crime. Unwanted children, in many cases, usually occur in the poorer strata of society which means those children will likely grow up on government assistance. If you want to ensure that the child is born, you then have a moral obligation to care for that child; don't bitch about your tax dollars being spent to support that child's family because the mother was forced to give birth to him/her.
My father is horrible about this. He thinks that all unborn children are so innocent and need to be protected, but once out of the womb he thinks that the families should be on their own and that people like Michael Brown and Eric Garner "get what's coming to them". Human life is human life, if you believe in the sanctity of it, that encompasses all.
Red Herring. You're conflating issues. It may well be that the type of people you mentioned are inconsistent on the issue of "sanctity of life" but that has no bearing on the question at hand, which is whether or not doctors who perform (3rd Trimester) abortions deserve to die.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:39 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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And "performing their duties"? Really? Please tell me that's the moral standard you'd like to use for this argument. Please oh please tell me that's what you're basing this on.
You can find one example in the post you originally replied to (quoted below). Yes, there are reasons that they need to be done.
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Friend of ours had a 22 week old and during an ultrasound the kidneys showed up as adult sized. The baby had polycistic kidney disease. Doctor advised them to explore all options as the baby had an 80% chance of being stillborn. If livebirth, it would need a kidney transplant immediately and there were a host of complications and growth issues that would come with it. Doctor said the chance of the baby surviving past 3 with a kidney transplant was very low as this condition is almost always fatal and the surgeries are painful. They decided to abort and had to go to Kansas to do it. The primary reason is in the state of Texas no 3rd trimester abortions are permitted. Had they tried to go full term and the baby been born alive, they would have no say in the treatment or in a kidney transplant. The State of Texas takes over and makes all decisions for the parents.
Tough decision for them because they spent 9 years and over $140K doing invitro, donor eggs, etc... They didn't want to put the baby through that.
There is no black and white here in my opnion. Got to do what is best. The best isn't the same for everyone or every baby.
So in this case, the doctor who performs this procedure, should be murdered according to you. I think that's crazy.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:42 am to sharpSee
Yes.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:42 am to sharpSee
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So in this case, the doctor who performs this procedure, should be murdered according to you. I think that's crazy.
And I think it's justice.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:46 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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Let's agree to have a social contract of sorts. You don't shed tears for the unborn babies who are murdered, and I won't shed tears when the murderers are killed in turn.
Except you are saying "good" and thinking this is justice. Do you think the people who have abortions, perform abortions, or are pro choice say "Good" or are happy that they had to take that option? You are delusional if you truly think that's how those people or I feel about abortions. Read that esquire story and that poster's story you replied to. Abortion is the last option and decision that doesn't come easily.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:48 am to sharpSee
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Do you think the people who have abortions, perform abortions, or are pro choice say "Good" or are happy that they had to take that option? You are delusional if you truly think that's how those people or I feel about abortions.
I don't give a good GOD DAMN about how they feel regarding the abortion. It's either murder or it's not (Again, for purposes of clarity, I'm keeping my statements focused on 3rd trimester abortions.).
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:50 am to FleshEatingSalsa
There are cases where third trimester abortions are a necessary evil.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:55 am to sharpSee
FWIW, 22 weeks is not the third trimester. I'm not going to weigh in on that situation, because that's such a sad story all around, and I'm so grateful I have never been in a position like that.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 8:57 am to CatFan81
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There are cases where third trimester abortions are a necessary evil.
I am keeping an open mind here. Can you or someone else weigh in and let me know of a situation where a 3rd trimester abortion would be the only option, where a C-section is not a viable alternative.
90% of babies can survive at 26 weeks, which is the start of the 3rd trimester.
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