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Modern physics and ancient faith
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:11 pm
Written by Stephen M. Barr who is a professor of phyics at the university of Delaware.
He basically uses modern physics to deconstruct materialist ideas and philosophical thought. He says the physics we are discovering today is actually going in favor of religion not atheism.
Wondering if all these atheists were open minded enough to give this literature a try.
He basically uses modern physics to deconstruct materialist ideas and philosophical thought. He says the physics we are discovering today is actually going in favor of religion not atheism.
Wondering if all these atheists were open minded enough to give this literature a try.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 1:16 pm
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:15 pm to RickySauwce
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:22 pm to CNB
the Big Bang theory was created by a catholic priest.
Gregor Mendel an Austrian monk was the father of heredity
Countless scientists and philosophers themselves with were in fact deeply religious.
Through light I shall see the light
Gregor Mendel an Austrian monk was the father of heredity
Countless scientists and philosophers themselves with were in fact deeply religious.
Through light I shall see the light
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:26 pm to RickySauwce
I love reason knowledge and science but throughout my entire open minded what I believe to be objective research I've found that science and religion are one and that science explains gods design not prove his lack of existence.
Anthropic coincidences seem to point directly to a divine creator. Our universe is perfect because if one law of physics or mathematical formula was changed life as we know it wouldn't exist.
Why are you here ? If your an atheist and truly believe your here through random chance and that every thought and action you think or do is completely explained through strict physical processes then you have lost to me everything that's beautiful about life.
Anthropic coincidences seem to point directly to a divine creator. Our universe is perfect because if one law of physics or mathematical formula was changed life as we know it wouldn't exist.
Why are you here ? If your an atheist and truly believe your here through random chance and that every thought and action you think or do is completely explained through strict physical processes then you have lost to me everything that's beautiful about life.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:28 pm to CNB
Where you at ? Don't attack my poor grammar usage but instead try and come up with a response on the topic.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:03 pm to RickySauwce
humans are devolving as we become more reliant upon technology.
I'd argue that humans were far more advanced 12,000 years ago.
I'd argue that humans were far more advanced 12,000 years ago.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:47 pm to RickySauwce
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RickySauwce
Could consume mass quantities of alcohol and have philosophical discussions with you.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 2:50 pm to scrooster
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:20 pm to RickySauwce
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Anthropic coincidences seem to point directly to a divine creator. Our universe is perfect because if one law of physics or mathematical formula was changed life as we know it wouldn't exist.
In astrophysics and cosmology, the anthropic principle is the philosophical consideration that observations of the physical Universe must be compatible with the conscious and sapient life that observes it.
Philosophy is the study of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning.
Science is the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
A philosophy can become science only when its constructs are empirically proven to be observable through peer review.
Religion is philosophy because it requires faith to persist. By its definition, a particular system of faith and worship, religion can never be science.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:31 pm to mizzoukills
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humans are devolving as we become more reliant upon technology. I'd argue that humans were far more advanced 12,000 years ago.
Rather than saying that humans are devolving, I think it's better to day that we have stopped evolving. Technology has brought human evolution to a halt.
Development of technology is not a linear process like evolution. It's an exponential advancement. It's easy to see, at least for me, that technology will ultimately result in artificial intelligence. Sentient A.I. is the only way life can spread from earth into the Universe.
12,000 years ago, humans numbered only in the thousands and were much more in tune with their environments. While they were beginning to shape environmental conditions to their needs and were domesticating animals and perhaps some plants, the effects on nature were minimal. If you call that more advanced than what we're doing today, I agree with you.
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:45 pm to Kentucker
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Religion is philosophy because it requires faith to persist. By its definition, a particular system of faith and worship, religion can never be science.
Yet theoretical science, the thought experiment - if you will, is based entirely upon faith in an idea or dream or vision.
I would argue that the quest for scientific knowledge, especially the origins of life - why we're here - where and when it all began and will end .... that:s a religion unto itself.
Even if you subscribe to the Big Bang theory .... there was something before that. The Big Crunch, The Big Freeze .... dark matter, string theory, parralel multi level universes and so-on and so-forth ... it's all taken on faith, just like religion.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:49 pm to scrooster
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Yet theoretical science, the thought experiment - if you will, is based entirely upon faith in an idea or dream or vision.
Scientific theories are either proven or discarded. Faith is not involved.
Religion persists via faith. Proof is not required.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 3:54 pm to Kentucker
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12,000 years ago, humans numbered only in the thousands and were much more in tune with their environments. While they were beginning to shape environmental conditions to their needs and were domesticating animals and perhaps some plants, the effects on nature were minimal. If you call that more advanced than what we're doing today, I agree with you.
I agree
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:10 pm to Kentucker
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Scientific theories are either proven or discarded. Faith is not involved.
Religion persists via faith. Proof is not required.
Religion and religious based dogma are two different things based entirely upon different faiths.
If modern science has proved anything it is that there is no such thing as exact science ... yet atheists and agnostics will both attempt to argue otherwise ... and that is where their hypocrisy comes into play. They claim to be able to explain everything through scientific procedure and experimentation - and anything to which those rules do not apply they scoff it off as unprovable faith-based fanatacism or zealotry. Yet, historically speaking, all of science has begun with just that - a thought or faith that someone endeavored to prove correct.
How does one prove evidence of healing miracles, or answered prayers or visions of what path to take that might lead to a fortuitous conclusion.
How does one absolutely explain dejas vous or ESP or telekinesis?
Life is a mystery. Science is trying to explain, not solve, many of those mysteries ... but for what purpose?
Therein lies the main differences between science and religion. One accepts all things as God's will, part of a plan while the other attempts to understand nature and the physics of our universal existence for the purpose of manipulation and control.
Both are highly judgemental of one another in their extreme forms ... yet, as with most things, I suspect the real truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:33 pm to scrooster
Couldn't have said it better.
Science persists because of faith too. If you believe there is a cure for cancer then you have faith but we can't prove yet.
It's hypocritical for one to use that faith is what let religion persist because that exactly what spurs science along.
Science persists because of faith too. If you believe there is a cure for cancer then you have faith but we can't prove yet.
It's hypocritical for one to use that faith is what let religion persist because that exactly what spurs science along.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:48 pm to RickySauwce
Well ... neither could exist without the other. Yet the extreme practionors of both are constantly trying to eliminate the other.
The one law that every reasonable human being must agree upon is that there must be balance in everything in this universe. Yin and yang, black and white, cold and hot, up and down, dark matter and visible matter, positives and negatives The five forces of nature all in balance or else, eventually, one will cancel-out the other and extinction occurs. The lights go-out and it's all over.
This is entirely ingrained in our psyches yet some of us choose to repress it just as we do our ID. It's not an evolutionary repression ... we do it by choice.
By studying any ancient historical record or faith based historical account of our existence ... the science is there. It's all right there no matter which account one might choose to subscribe. The science is there.
The one law that every reasonable human being must agree upon is that there must be balance in everything in this universe. Yin and yang, black and white, cold and hot, up and down, dark matter and visible matter, positives and negatives The five forces of nature all in balance or else, eventually, one will cancel-out the other and extinction occurs. The lights go-out and it's all over.
This is entirely ingrained in our psyches yet some of us choose to repress it just as we do our ID. It's not an evolutionary repression ... we do it by choice.
By studying any ancient historical record or faith based historical account of our existence ... the science is there. It's all right there no matter which account one might choose to subscribe. The science is there.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 4:50 pm to scrooster
the big bang itself is faith based
Posted on 12/30/14 at 5:08 pm to scrooster
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If modern science has proved anything it is that there is no such thing as exact science
There are no absolutes in science. That would preclude any new information.
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Life is a mystery. Science is trying to explain, not solve, many of those mysteries ... but for what purpose?
Life is not a mystery to the reductionist. It's simply the result of chemical evolution. The state of being conscious is the mystery. Of course, mystery is the reason science exists. We want to know the unknown.
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Both are highly judgemental of one another in their extreme forms ... yet, as with most things, I suspect the real truth lies somewhere in the middle.
There is no common ground between science and religion. Science is empirical study. Religion is philosophy.
That said, nothing prevents a person from being both a scientist and a theist. A problem arises however when people attempt to mix empiricism and philosophy. They don't go together any better than do oil and water.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 5:18 pm to mizzoukills
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the big bang itself is faith based
This is a perfect example of the folly of attempting to mix empiricism and philosophy.
The "Big Bang Theory" deduces the birth of the universe (big bang) from the observed expansion of the universe, cosmic background radiation, abundance of the elements, and the laws of physics.
It replaced the Steady State Theory which said that the universe is assumed to have average properties that are constant in space and time so that new matter must be continuously and spontaneously created to maintain average densities as the universe expands.
Empirical studies support the Big Bang (which is actually a misnomer since the universe came to be via inflation rather than explosion) and killed the Steady State Theory.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 12/30/14 at 5:33 pm to Kentucker
don't you dare call me a folly
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