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spurrier's offense: florida and south carolina
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/27/14 at 11:59 am
I used to watch a lot of florida in the 90s and from what I've seen of south carolina, spurrier's offense looks completely different.
I know that at florida he enjoyed a huge talent advantage over almost every opponent, and the case isn't the same at south carolina.
can anyone explain to me what has changed, evolved, etc ?
I know that at florida he enjoyed a huge talent advantage over almost every opponent, and the case isn't the same at south carolina.
can anyone explain to me what has changed, evolved, etc ?
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Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:02 pm to 632627
The level of competition has increased a lot since the 90s.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:04 pm to craigbiggio
That, and he seems to get better RB talent than QB talent. Shaw has been his one great QB since he's gotten here. And even he wasn't the drop back and throw it QB Spurrier is used to. He works with what he's got.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:05 pm to craigbiggio
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The level of competition has increased a lot since the 90s.
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That, and he seems to get better RB talent than QB talent. Shaw has been his one great QB since he's gotten here. And even he wasn't the drop back and throw it QB Spurrier is used to. He works with what he's got.
the funny thing is that spurrier's offensive personnel at florida and USCe is about the same; great WR and RB talent, with limited talent at qb(wuerffel is a college all time great but had horrible mechanics and zero arm strength). None of his qb's at florida were super talented.
Obviously the defenses spurrier goes against now are light years better than before.
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:28 pm to 632627
He still likes to throw it. I'd say the major differences are in formations and personnel. There's far less I formation, PA passing now than when he first came here and when he was at Fla. We are almost exclusively in the gun now, use a lot of single back 2TE formations, and the zone read has taken a larger role in the offense.
I'd like to see him get back to his old offense. I think it would still work if cut back on so many 7 step drops. He really has no system anymore. It's just a hodgepodge of plays that he calls when he thinks it's the right time.
I'd like to see him get back to his old offense. I think it would still work if cut back on so many 7 step drops. He really has no system anymore. It's just a hodgepodge of plays that he calls when he thinks it's the right time.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:34 pm to 632627
Wuerffel was deadly accurate though.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:48 pm to boXerrumble
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Message Posted by boXerrumble Wuerffel was deadly accurate though.
His accuracy on touch passes was unmatched. I don't think I've ever seen wuerffel throw anything besides a quick slant, fade or post route though lol.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 12:50 pm to goodshotred2
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Posted by goodshotred2 He still likes to throw it. I'd say the major differences are in formations and personnel. There's far less I formation, PA passing now than when he first came here and when he was at Fla. We are almost exclusively in the gun now, use a lot of single back 2TE formations, and the zone read has taken a larger role in the offense. I'd like to see him get back to his old offense. I think it would still work if cut back on so many 7 step drops. He really has no system anymore. It's just a hodgepodge of plays that he calls when he thinks it's the right time.
This has been my exact observation and reason for starting this thread
Posted on 12/27/14 at 1:17 pm to 632627
He added te zone read in 2010 when Lattimore got here and has run more and more shotgun ever since.
You could count on one hand the number of times we went under center and didn't run a qb sneak this year which is frustrating.
You could count on one hand the number of times we went under center and didn't run a qb sneak this year which is frustrating.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 1:23 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:Wasn't the last play of the Georgia game a qb sneak? If it was that is the only one I remember.
and didn't run a qb sneak this year which is frustrating.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 1:40 pm to CockRocket
Speed, my friends, speed.
Corners who are as fast as receivers. Safeties who can run with anyone.
Backers with 4.6 speed.
Defensive ends who can drop back lightning fast.
it's all in the speed.
Corners who are as fast as receivers. Safeties who can run with anyone.
Backers with 4.6 speed.
Defensive ends who can drop back lightning fast.
it's all in the speed.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:17 pm to 632627
he had the best wr's every yr at fla if you were a beast hs reciever and went to fla you were an all american 2 yrs later
just couldnt get the same speed at south carolina
just couldnt get the same speed at south carolina
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:22 pm to gatortrav88
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he had the best wr's every yr at fla if you were a beast hs reciever and went to fla you were an all american 2 yrs later
just couldnt get the same speed at south carolina
I think this is false, Sidney rice and Alshon Jeffery are probably better than anyone he had at Florida. Maybe he had more depth at receiver at Florida, but don't tell me guys like Travis mcgriff and Chris doering are better than what he has had at usc
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:30 pm to 632627
i guess you dont remember fla from the 90's too well
this was the last group he had in 2001
jabar gafney 1191 yds 13 TD's
reche caldwell 1059 yds 10 TD's
taylor jacobs 712 yds 7 TD's
then in in 95 and 96 we had ike hillard, reidel anthony, & jaquez green
this was the last group he had in 2001
jabar gafney 1191 yds 13 TD's
reche caldwell 1059 yds 10 TD's
taylor jacobs 712 yds 7 TD's
then in in 95 and 96 we had ike hillard, reidel anthony, & jaquez green
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:43 pm to gatortrav88
I remember them very well, like I said, none of those guys listed were better then Jeffery or rice. i also said spurrier probably had better depth of talent at Florida.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:45 pm to 632627
The Fun n' Gun took advantage of defenses that really hadn't adapted to the speed and raw athleticism of players on offense as well as the fact that it was an offense you were only going to see once a year. You might have 1 team a year with athletes on defense to keep up with it. Chavis often used undersized speedsters and converted them to another position to try and stop it but defenses back then didn't have the horses they do today. They were typically slower and bigger and designed to stop the traditional offenses of the day not the Fun n' Gun which was an outlier in terms of the offenses you'd face.
You see a version of this problem today when Saban has trouble with spread and HUNH offenses - his defenses are designed to defend against traditional pro-style offenses and really defense has to make a choice on what type of players to recruit and what style to specialize in defending against well before the game is played (with so many different offense in CFB you can't specialize against them all and must compromise).
Nowadays with the SEC collecting talent in recruiting defenses still fall into mismatches but they have the athletes at corner and safety to prevent the sort of wide open exploitation of defenses Spurrier's old system managed.
You see a version of this problem today when Saban has trouble with spread and HUNH offenses - his defenses are designed to defend against traditional pro-style offenses and really defense has to make a choice on what type of players to recruit and what style to specialize in defending against well before the game is played (with so many different offense in CFB you can't specialize against them all and must compromise).
Nowadays with the SEC collecting talent in recruiting defenses still fall into mismatches but they have the athletes at corner and safety to prevent the sort of wide open exploitation of defenses Spurrier's old system managed.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:49 pm to craigbiggio
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The level of competition has increased a lot since the 90s.
And defenses have adjusted. In the '90s, Fun 'n' Gun took the world by storm. But it's been more than 20 years, and defenses have been tooled to counter it more easily. The same will happen to the TCU/Baylor types of offenses soon (as has already started to happen to Oregon and Auburn.)
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:50 pm to 632627
yea they were great but fla had guys that could match their best college season every single yr is all im saying
as far as competition goes they beat us more then we beat them but the offense for the most part worked fine against amazing fsu defenses also tenn obviously had some great defenses too and bama, auburn etc but i agree with the you only see em once a yr so you cant prepare for it like you want statement thats very true
as far as competition goes they beat us more then we beat them but the offense for the most part worked fine against amazing fsu defenses also tenn obviously had some great defenses too and bama, auburn etc but i agree with the you only see em once a yr so you cant prepare for it like you want statement thats very true
This post was edited on 12/27/14 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/27/14 at 2:50 pm to Prof
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The Fun n' Gun took advantage of defenses that really hadn't adapted to the speed and raw athleticism of players on offense as well as the fact that it was an offense you were only going to see once a year. You might have 1 team a year with athletes on defense to keep up with it. Chavis often used undersized speedsters and converted them to another position to try and stop it but defenses back then didn't have the horses they do today. They were typically slower and bigger and designed to stop the traditional offenses of the day not the Fun n' Gun which was an outlier in terms of the offenses you'd face.
You see a version of this problem today when Saban has trouble with spread and HUNH offenses - his defenses are designed to defend against traditional pro-style offenses and really defense has to make a choice on what type of players to recruit and what style to specialize in defending against well before the game is played (with so many different offense in CFB you can't specialize against them all and must compromise).
Nowadays with the SEC collecting talent in recruiting defenses still fall into mismatches but they have the athletes at corner and safety to prevent the sort of wide open exploitation of defenses Spurrier's old system managed.
Damn you for actually detailing the situation instead of just throwing out the generalities like I did.
Posted on 12/27/14 at 3:02 pm to randomways
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Damn you for actually detailing the situation instead of just throwing out the generalities like I did.
It was a big enough thorn in our side to deserve that much.
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