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Thank God the Will Muschamp Era is OVER

Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 9:32 pm
Florida does the following:

-Holds FSU to season low in total yards.
-Holds Winston to career low in passing yards.
-Forces 4 INTs - career high for Winston
-Teams having thrown 4 INT's this season had been 0-20 heading into this game.
-Florida blocked a punt - 90% of teams that block a punt win the game
-started 5 drives in FSU territory

And lost, and not only lost, but trailed for more than 40 minutes of game time.

This staff is THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN at losing games they had no business losing.

And I am so frickING HAPPY that they are finally done coaching this team. It may get worse before it gets better, but I just don't care anymore. It is time for a change.

I actually watched the game with someone that hasn't been able to watch much gator football for the past 2 years, and they asked me if it had been this painful to watch Florida football for the past 2 years... and I said no. It's actually been worse, because at this point, the FSU game was just comical. I laughed a lot. I actually called about 50% of what happened during the live game.

Anyways. I'm just glad that it's over.

End Rant.

Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 10:52 pm to
quote:

-Holds FSU to season low in total yards.
-Holds Winston to career low in passing yards.
-Forces 4 INTs - career high for Winston
-Teams having thrown 4 INT's this season had been 0-20 heading into this game.
-Florida blocked a punt - 90% of teams that block a punt win the game
-started 5 drives in FSU territory


Is that bad?

Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35588 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:02 pm to
quote:

-Florida blocked a punt - 90% of teams that block a punt win the game

debatable. the punter never really kicked it. he kind just let it float and proceeded to move into a fetal position.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

slayerxing


Glad you got all this off your chest....you sound sober and drunk at the same time?

This staff btw has a true frosh qb and guess what? You lose games with that equation. There are other reasons we lost not because of qb play...and you could rightfully blame some of it on the staff...like....how to not lose your composure during a game, how to not let passes slip through your hands and how to block.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 12:10 am to
quote:

This staff btw has a true frosh qb and guess what?


The excuses are gone, long, long gone.

We've lost so many games and been close in some where we dominate every facet of the game.

QB, WR, OL, HB, etc. etc. and we lose. We find a way to lose.

4 interceptions, 3 in the first quarter. These are the type of numbers that make analysts scratch their heads.

It doesn't really matter, because if FSU goes up against Oregon -- it's going to get ugly.

If they go up against Alabama -- it's going to get ridiculously ugly.

FSU absolutely blows this year.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
2703 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 12:37 am to
quote:

The excuses are gone, long, long gone.


Agreed. I was one of the biggest Muschamp supporters on this board, but the coaching was atrocious. They had nothing to lose yet called an incredibly conservative game, aside from a few deep balls, until then last series where everyone was just swinging for the fence. There was very little intermediate stuff.

Treon or Jeff are talented enough to have won this game with the rest of the tools on this offense because a world beating offense wasn't even needed. We didn't need the 2008 offense to suit up to win this, just something pedestrian that could run, dink, and dunk for 3-4 yards a play and have scored touchdowns as few as a third of the times they were in the red zone tonight. There is absolutely no excuse for this offense to have not been able to manage at least that in this game.

After two years, even I can see this is all this offense would ever be under Champ. I knew we were done when they chose to run on a 3rd and 18 to position for a field goal (which we subsequently missed) rather than go for a damned touchdown. You're just screaming to your offense at that point that you don't think they can cut it, and it always showed as they steadily became less and less confident in almost every game when they were having issues and coaching became increasingly conservative.

If you watched the Iron Bowl tonight, even as Saban is warming up Coker, the offense is still calling plays like Sims hasn't been hot garbage. They are going for it on fourth. The coaches kept calling that game like they had an offense that could win and just needed to wake the hell up rather than trying to protect them from themselves.

That is the corner Muschamp never could quite turn, IMO. He never really trusted his offense, and when the chips were down, rather than daring them to be better, he sought to mitigate further damage through sitting on slim leads and staying conservative. As such, we've had a fragile team for two years. I don't know how coaching creates that kind of dynamic, but I absolutely pin it on the coaches. The offense stumbles, quits producing, and in the past, the defense finally cashes their chips in as well (to their credit, they kept swinging until the end tonight).

I'm not saying they didn't play their asses off, but I don't think they thought in their heart of hearts that they were going to win as soon as that pick-six went down. And the vast majority of play calling from that point on did nothing but reinforce that perception, IMO.

Muschamp is a great guy and a hell of a DC. I am sorry he never figured it out on offense, and I'll even allow that it might have not all been on him given the start with Weis. However, I am at peace with his leaving after tonight.
This post was edited on 11/30/14 at 12:41 am
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 1:27 am to
quote:

They had nothing to lose yet called an incredibly conservative game, aside from a few deep balls, until then last series where everyone was just swinging for the fence. There was very little intermediate stuff.


I really want to see what Durkin/Roper do together, and if anything changes.

I said earlier in the year: The problem is not one piece on offense -- there are tons of problems. This game the Oline made a decent pocket but the damn playcalling destroyed us.

I think the team is very different at the bowl, and I bet our offense performs better than before. I just don't think Muschamp can let it go -- which is why all of his offensive coordinators sit up in the box instead of hang out on the field.

When you have a young QB, an offense that isn't clicking, you need the OC down on the field to help calm everyone. Let's see what changes now that the team is officially out of Muschamp's hands.
Posted by gatorguru
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2014
333 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:43 am to
He never changed and never accepted the limitations of certain players. You could use this logic regarding: Treon, Driskel, Westbrook, Burton, Gorman, Maye, etc.

We were told Keanu Neal was healthy. Why did it take 2 Nick O'Leary TD's against our weakest cover safety (Marcus Maye) for us to finally put Keanu Neal on O'Leary. Teams have had success bracketing O'Leary and using better coverage guys on one of the guys who FSU usually always has a mismatch with. Can't for the life of me understand why we GAVE them 14 points expecting Marcus Maye to do something he hasn't done all year long (cover an athletic TE/big receiver). We all knew this was a limitation of Marcus Maye, I guess Muschamp didn't care.

Our TEs can't catch. We've known this for 2 years now. Yet we just want to keep playing with fire and getting third degree burns.


Also, I will give props to 2 guys who have had severe up and downs as Gators (Gorman and Clay burton). They played decent against FSU yesterday.

Sitting right behind UF's bench yesterday. It didn't look terrible what GW3 did. But definitely worth a penalty. Coaches sent him to lockerroom and he was penalized 15 yards. No need to pile on him in postgame and say u would kick him off the team for essentially one personal foul. He was pretty much cleared in the cleat incident as a total misunderstanding. The man was accused of stealing when he simply picked up Morninwheg's cleats instead of Sherit's (who gave him the ok). We are losing Fowler and likely Bullard.

Now we will probably lose GW3 because of the way Muschamp has handled things. A defensive player with a mean streak who wants to hit the other QB should get some game snaps so he can unleash that pent up aggression.

Dalvin Cook was a big miss, but I don't know that he would have gotten many opportunities in our crowded backfield and based on our scheme. I could see Brandon Powell or KT doing much of what he did in that same offense with the defense having to worry about Greene at WR, O'Leary at TE, and a QB who can deliver it to them.

Anyway, the end of an era has come. Let's roll forward.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 6:26 pm to
Especially in the red zone -- how do you NOT bracket O'Leary? I think one of the biggest problems with Muschamp is his unwillingness to accept his pieces and use them to the best of their ability.

Maye...has not been good at covering, and O'Leary is an NFL caliber TE with a lot of speed. You have got to cover the hell out of him in the red zone.

I feel like the majority of us could produce a better staff than what's been going on this past year.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
11060 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 8:41 pm to
One thing for sure...we have a stable of DBs for the next few yrs and I hope we don't become too offensive minded and neglect the defensive recruiting.

Right now we are a team with a need for 2-3 more first downs a game to become east champions, so the offense should not undergo a complete tear down and rebuild. I think (not sure)Roper may be the only asst coach who has to be paid for 2015 and we may as well use him...even if its to get coffee and donuts every morning. If we hire a sharp offensive mind...then he can just use the opinions from upstairs and the binoculars to do his play calling. I do know that Foley stated in a PC that none of the other asst coaches will be paid.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

One thing for sure...we have a stable of DBs for the next few yrs and I hope we don't become too offensive minded and neglect the defensive recruiting.


This is absolutely for sure.

quote:

Right now we are a team with a need for 2-3 more first downs a game to become east champions, so the offense should not undergo a complete tear down and rebuild. I think (not sure)Roper may be the only asst coach who has to be paid for 2015 and we may as well use him...even if its to get coffee and donuts every morning. If we hire a sharp offensive mind...then he can just use the opinions from upstairs and the binoculars to do his play calling. I do know that Foley stated in a PC that none of the other asst coaches will be paid.


I'm going to make a wager that Roper and Durkin call a completely different game without Muschamp for the Bowl.

I don't think any of the OC's who came in have gotten to do what they want to do, or have been overridden in critical moments.

If the offense is the same with Muschamp gone, then I'll have to retract that.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

When you have a young QB, an offense that isn't clicking, you need the OC down on the field to help calm everyone. Let's see what changes now that the team is officially out of Muschamp's hands.


Might be the first time I ever agree with you on something

Im very intrigued to see this team play in a bowl game.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

If the offense is the same with Muschamp gone, then I'll have to retract that.


If this is the case, Im gonna lose it. fricking hell. 4 straight years of shite (really 5 if you count Meyer's last season here..) offense at the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

For fricks sakes
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/30/14 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

If this is the case, Im gonna lose it. fricking hell. 4 straight years of shite (really 5 if you count Meyer's last season here..) offense at the UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

For fricks sakes


I can't imagine Weis, Pease and Roeper all came in with the same mindset with like five different quarterbacks who have played for us (might be six but I'm too lazy to look it up). Something is awry with the offense, and I'm curious to see if things change without Muschamp looming.

He's always been hardheaded and had an offensive vision -- and through three different offenses they all...are the same with the sole change being how we snap the ball.
Posted by TheSandman
AuburnUndercover
Member since Nov 2010
19409 posts
Posted on 12/4/14 at 10:14 am to
I, for one, am equally glad the Will Muschamp era is over at Florida so that we can win a couple nattys with him and Gus on the same sideline
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:40 pm to

any ideas or rumors on where boom is headed?

the uScar, A@M, barner fans are all crowing loudly for him.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
139782 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 4:40 pm to
No. There should not be any leads from the UF side either. The Boom era is officially over.
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 12/6/14 at 12:40 pm to
Here's a quote from 73 years ago that I hope applies to CWM.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

He has always been a Gator at heart.

Good luck Will!
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
6421 posts
Posted on 12/7/14 at 4:04 pm to
Don't forget that FSU also had an unsuccessful punt fake too.

It is damn near impossible to lose a game when the other team basically gave it to you. Only Muschamp could find a way to lose that game. Muschamp was the flukiest coach in all of football. Win or lose, there was always some crazy shite going on. Win ugly, lose embarrassing, Muschamp could never get his team to be consistent. I'm still shocked we lost to the Semonholes.

quote:

-Holds FSU to season low in total yards.
-Holds Winston to career low in passing yards.
-Forces 4 INTs - career high for Winston
-Teams having thrown 4 INT's this season had been 0-20 heading into this game.
-Florida blocked a punt - 90% of teams that block a punt win the game
-started 5 drives in FSU territory
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