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re: Let's talk some Will Muschamp
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:26 am to joeyb147
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:26 am to joeyb147
What are you even talking about? Tubs was a D coach. He cut his teeth at TAMU and UM. To say Chiz or Muschamp had a huge influence on his D is like saying Rhett is running Gus' O. Chiz and Muschamp benefited from estiblished coaches. And to answer the OP, no, I don't want him as DC. The only time he has been away from an estiblished Defensive HC, he has failed. We need someone like Ellis that is used to working with an offensive minded HC. Diaz from La Tech worked under Mullin, and has experiance coaching D on a team that runs the spread.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:33 am to AUCE05
i hope we never see muschamp on an auburn sideline again. The guy cannot beat UGA, which I sometimes think is intentional.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:49 am to autodd03
yeah screw Muschump. he can go work for Saban
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:22 am to AUCE05
quote:I never even implied this in my OP.
And to answer the OP, no, I don't want him as DC.
This thread turned completely away from any point I was trying to make from the first reply on.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:31 am to Rig
I see. I am just tired of reading CWM is a good DC, when his track record has been built coaching under some of the best defensive minded coaches in the past 30 years. He has screwed up the UF job, which is probably the easiest school to recruit to.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:38 am to AUCE05
quote:Is reading comprehension that difficult?
What are you even talking about?
quote:No shite? Are you serious? You can't be serious.
Tubs was a D coach. He cut his teeth at TAMU and UM.
quote:So why does Tuberville's D suck post Auburn? If he is such a great D coach that didn't benefit from his DC's, why is his defense giving up over 500 ypg and 34 ppg? Why was last year his only year since Auburn that he was able to hold opponents to under 30 ppg? You'd think with him being in total control of Auburn's great defenses of the 2000's that he'd at least be able to field a top 30 defense more than once in 4 years.
To say Chiz or Muschamp had a huge influence on his D is like saying Rhett is running Gus' O.
quote:Chizik had a top 20 defense at UCF before coming to Auburn (13th in scoring, 16th in total). In fact, 1999 is the only year in Chizik's entire DC tenure that he didn't finish inside the top 32 in both total & scoring D. You wanna guess how many defensive minded HCs he coached under in that time?
Chiz and Muschamp benefited from estiblished coaches.
You're mostly right on WM though. He was only able to have one defense in the top 15 in both scoring and total D at Texas (2009).
quote:The guy who let BYU run for a record 550 yards on a Texas defense? Resulting in him getting fired in less than 24 hours?
Diaz from La Tech worked under Mullin, and has experiance coaching D on a team that runs the spread
Yeah, no thanks.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:52 am to joeyb147
frick off. I am not responding to any idiot that says Tuberville is a bad defensive coach.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:11 pm to AUCE05
The game passes everyone by at some point.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:21 pm to AUCE05
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frick off.
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I am not responding to any idiot that says Tuberville is a bad defensive coach.
2014 - Cincy
TD: #123 - 524 ypg
SD: #103 - 34.5 ppg
2013 - Cincy
TD: #9 - 315.6 ypg
SD: #14 - 21.0 ppg
2012 - TTU
TD: #38 - 367.3 ypg
SD: #91 - 31.8 ppg
2011 - TTU
TD: #114 - 485.6 ypg
SD: #117 - 39.3 ppg
2010 - TTU
TD: #114 - 456.3 ypg
SD: #93 - 30.9 ppg
Some of those defenses make Chizik's 2012 squad look really really good.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:44 pm to joeyb147
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Some of those defenses make Chizik's 2012 squad look really really good
The case of Tubs is just a weird one to know who is the mastermind behind his AU defenses.
As you point out Joey, his defenses haven't been of high quality since he left AU.
On the other hand, not many "CEO Hands Off" coaches are able to pull in 3 straight DCs that put out top tier production for so long (Chiz, Boom, Rhoads: our O messed up stats)
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:55 pm to AUCE05
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Diaz from La Tech worked under Mullin, and has experiance coaching D on a team that runs the spread.
Before Gus hired Ellis I remember austudent22 telling me that he believed that Diaz would be a good fit defensively for Malzahn's offense. The reasoning being that Diaz's defensive scheme is built upon risk taking and forcing turnovers, which meshes well with an offense that wants to go fast and play a lot of snaps to wear opponents down because it grants extra possessions. Our high powered offense would also "cover" for the weakness of a risk-taking defense which is inevitable big plays given up from time to time.
Its an interesting theory which makes sense, although Malzahn's offense has slowed down considerably with guys like Marshall at QB who make it a ground-and-pound haven. With someone like Jeremy Johnson or Sean White we should be able to go back to playing a lot quicker.
Louisiana Tech is tied for 7th in the country in Turnovers Gained so far this season.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:04 pm to GenesChin
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On the other hand, not many "CEO Hands Off" coaches are able to pull in 3 straight DCs that put out top tier production for so long (Chiz, Boom, Rhoads: our O messed up stats)
Even David Gibbs, who most wrote off as a failure, put up a statistically strong defense in 2005 under Tuberville (6th in Scoring Defense, 19th in Total Defense).
I think Tuberville's career is just on the tail-end. His glory days are over and he's now coaching at mid-majors...I don't think there is much "inspiration" there anymore.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:38 pm to GenesChin
All I'm saying is that isn't wasn't solely Tuberville that made AU's defense. The '99 & '01 defenses weren't very good. And I'm not saying Tuberville isn't a good D coach. He was (doesn't look like it anymore). I think it was the combination of him with a good/great DC that made those mid '00 defenses so good.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:40 pm to metafour
quote:Gibbs has Houston ranked 11th in scoring D & 23rd in total D at the moment.
Even David Gibbs, who most wrote off as a failure, put up a statistically strong defense in 2005 under Tuberville (6th in Scoring Defense, 19th in Total Defense).
Looking at his coaching career, looks like he just wants to coach DBs in the NFL so I doubt he'll be there long enough to get an accurate picture of how good of a coordinator he actually is.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 6:53 pm to joeyb147
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All I'm saying is that isn't wasn't solely Tuberville that made AU's defense.
Credit should be given to his ability to see talent and potential in project players. He was the one that found Kennion months before AU did for instance
Posted on 10/21/14 at 8:40 pm to GenesChin
Tubs was coaching at texas tech. They don't play defense there. Wtf.
Tubs was a great defensive coach
Tubs was a great defensive coach
Posted on 10/21/14 at 9:45 pm to Tigerman97
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What were those promises? This is the part I have never been clear on.
I heard it was something stupid with JJ and Muschamp over Peach Bowl tickets. Texas called and he left. Also heard he was ready to accept the HC job but wouldn't do so with JJ at the helm.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:20 pm to DuncanIdaho
Muschamp:
You're bleeding. You're on the sideline. Why are you bleeding? Why are you still talking while you're bleeding?
You're bleeding. You're on the sideline. Why are you bleeding? Why are you still talking while you're bleeding?
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