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Question for the older Carolina fans re: Clemson coaches
Posted on 10/11/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/11/14 at 3:31 pm
Which Clemson coaches have been the least likable? How does Dabo rank compared to the rest? Am I justified in thinking he's one of the worst ever even without experiencing anyone besides him and Bowden?
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:51 pm to CockRocket
You have experienced the worst two in my memory.
Charlie Pell was obnoxious but not unlikable, nor was he there really long enough to become terribly unlikable.
Danny Ford and Jim Carlen got along real well.
Frank Howard was very likable, so was Hootie Ingram and Red Parker.
Hootie actually helped us to get into the SEC - he was a strong advocate for us.
Ken Hatfield was ok. Tommy West was typical good ole boy - but he was liked better by Gamecock fans than was Brad Scott. Understand, Tommy went to Clemson after having been here ... but no one hated him for it. Brad Scott went to Clemson after having been here ... but he is our most despised coach in history. Why?
So yeah, as far as Clemson coaches go Tammy Bowden was a total douche but Dabo is just plain unlikable as a human being.
Charlie Pell was obnoxious but not unlikable, nor was he there really long enough to become terribly unlikable.
Danny Ford and Jim Carlen got along real well.
Frank Howard was very likable, so was Hootie Ingram and Red Parker.
Hootie actually helped us to get into the SEC - he was a strong advocate for us.
Ken Hatfield was ok. Tommy West was typical good ole boy - but he was liked better by Gamecock fans than was Brad Scott. Understand, Tommy went to Clemson after having been here ... but no one hated him for it. Brad Scott went to Clemson after having been here ... but he is our most despised coach in history. Why?
So yeah, as far as Clemson coaches go Tammy Bowden was a total douche but Dabo is just plain unlikable as a human being.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:41 pm to scrooster
Hatfield was an arse.
Pell was a pseudo intellectual, downtalking cheater.
Danny Ford is on my list of all time good guys. Always returned his phone calls. He might set another time, but he called back.
Carlin, can't answer objectively, he was a good friend.
Red Parker was a prince of a guy.
West was dumb as a sack of bricks, kind of like Whammy.
Bowden was an aloof arse.
Howard was a former honor student at Bama. Had several good one-on-one conversations with him. I liked him very much. Clemson owes him more than any other individual.
Hootie was a snake oil salesman who did very well after being fired from Clemson.
Never met Dabs.
Pell was a pseudo intellectual, downtalking cheater.
Danny Ford is on my list of all time good guys. Always returned his phone calls. He might set another time, but he called back.
Carlin, can't answer objectively, he was a good friend.
Red Parker was a prince of a guy.
West was dumb as a sack of bricks, kind of like Whammy.
Bowden was an aloof arse.
Howard was a former honor student at Bama. Had several good one-on-one conversations with him. I liked him very much. Clemson owes him more than any other individual.
Hootie was a snake oil salesman who did very well after being fired from Clemson.
Never met Dabs.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 11:01 am to scrooster
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Ken Hatfield was ok. Tommy West was typical good ole boy - but he was liked better by Gamecock fans than was Brad Scott. Understand, Tommy went to Clemson after having been here ... but no one hated him for it. Brad Scott went to Clemson after having been here ... but he is our most despised coach in history. Why?
Just from my perspective: West was DC at USC under Woods. His final year in Columbia was the player-boycott year of 1992, on a Gamecock team that was struggling to have mediocre - much less successful - seasons. I think a lot of frustration over the program from the fanbase focused more on Woods than any of his assistants. At least it did from me.
West left USC to take the HC at Tenn-Chattanooga for one season in 1993. Couldn't fault an asst. coach moving to an upward job position, and UT-Chat wasn't a rival of USC's (it was home to our late great Joe Morrison before he went on to New Mexico, and then to USC). After only one year there, West was hired to replace Hatfield who chose not to coach the Tigers in the bowl game. I don't think much of any rancor arose over the hire by Gamecock Nation...
Scott was a different issues however, for many factors: one, he was directly held to blame for USC's demise at the end of his tenure, of leading the program to a then-all-time worst season. Then to jump over to USC's bitter rival immediately while the rage over his handling of our program was still in the air only made things worse.
The Clemson win over USC in his first year at CU, and the team carrying him on their shoulders off the field also added to Fat Brad's legacy within Gamecock Nation...
Posted on 10/13/14 at 3:07 pm to ConwayGamecock
Hard to argue with any of that Conway ... I think you nailed it.
Only thing I might differ with you about is that Tommy West and Chuck Reedy connection to SC which was very contentious when West went to Clemson and Reedy sort of fed him up there, and which remained so, for some time afterwards where Reedy was concerned as a HS coach in the state.
Of course West enjoyed a good relationship with most in state coaches as did a lot of Clemson HCs over the years compared to some of our HCs.
But West wasn't generally disliked, nor did I ever consider him dumb, he was just country which seemed like it was going to be a good fit for Clemson at the time.
But I still believe Bowden and Dabo to be the two most generally disliked, obnoxious, egotistical Clemson coaches in my memory. Although Bowden never really cared much about us down here - we were always an afterthought to him and the one time when he could have really rubbed it in on us after the 63-17 ballgame, the first words out of his mouth were, "well, to begin with we're not as good as we looked at there tonight and they are not as bad as they looked out there tonight ... it was just one of those games." So Bowden let us off the hook in a way.
Still, Bowden, by way of what he overlooked Scott doing with the negative recruiting while he was there, was complicit in some of the bullshite that transpired on the recruiting trail and to this day Scott tries to put the blame for being carried off the field on Bowden's shoulders ... pardon the pun.
Only thing I might differ with you about is that Tommy West and Chuck Reedy connection to SC which was very contentious when West went to Clemson and Reedy sort of fed him up there, and which remained so, for some time afterwards where Reedy was concerned as a HS coach in the state.
Of course West enjoyed a good relationship with most in state coaches as did a lot of Clemson HCs over the years compared to some of our HCs.
But West wasn't generally disliked, nor did I ever consider him dumb, he was just country which seemed like it was going to be a good fit for Clemson at the time.
But I still believe Bowden and Dabo to be the two most generally disliked, obnoxious, egotistical Clemson coaches in my memory. Although Bowden never really cared much about us down here - we were always an afterthought to him and the one time when he could have really rubbed it in on us after the 63-17 ballgame, the first words out of his mouth were, "well, to begin with we're not as good as we looked at there tonight and they are not as bad as they looked out there tonight ... it was just one of those games." So Bowden let us off the hook in a way.
Still, Bowden, by way of what he overlooked Scott doing with the negative recruiting while he was there, was complicit in some of the bullshite that transpired on the recruiting trail and to this day Scott tries to put the blame for being carried off the field on Bowden's shoulders ... pardon the pun.
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