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Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:54 pm
What are the chances that Derrick Mason is only at Vandy for one season? The team has been playing better, but without being able to beat teams in our division recruiting could go downhill quickly. Do we consider letting Mason go and hiring a proven head coach from a smaller conference?
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:54 pm to Vandyfan19
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Too much money and confidence invested in Mason to can him. The team is slowly but surely looking better.
The year prior to Mason getting to Stanford (2009) they were ranked 98th in total defense. They quickly jumped after he got there (Though it wasn't just him). There were also more players there fitting and familiar with the system so the improvement was no doubt quicker.
Year by year:
2009 - 98th
2010 - 21st (DB Coach)
2011 - 31st (Assoc. HC/Co-DC/DB)
2012 - 42nd (Assoc. HC/DC)
2013 - 43rd (Assoc. HC/DC)
2014 - 2nd
Looking at the rankings, Stanford didn't immediatly get better when he moved up the coaching ladder. Concerning is Stanford's ranking YTD. We could pretend this being year 1 with so many young players and the new system as something similar to Stanford's '09 season. So far this year Vanderbilt is 104th in total defense. Maybe this year should be a mulligan, though you may be concerned with Vanderbilt's same period rankings.
Vanderbilt:
2009 - 42nd (CBJ)
2010 - 84th (CTI)
2011 - 19th (CJF)
2012 - 22nd (CJF)
2013 - 26th (CJF)
2014 - 104th (CJF)
Now the offensive philosophies in the PAC-12 & SEC are completely different at many places leading to higher total defense numbers, especially the last few years in the PAC-12.
My point is maybe, in this conference, when the players and system match better that we may be equal or better defensively than the last 3 years.
Maybe.
Offensively we were the last team in FBS to score an offensive TD. I will give you no arguement for our offense potentially getting better. If anyone wants to dig up Stanford's recent #'s (or better yet UCLA's during the reign of Dorrell) they can, although I don't think you'll find anything worthwhile to compare.
Too much money and confidence invested in Mason to can him. The team is slowly but surely looking better.
The year prior to Mason getting to Stanford (2009) they were ranked 98th in total defense. They quickly jumped after he got there (Though it wasn't just him). There were also more players there fitting and familiar with the system so the improvement was no doubt quicker.
Year by year:
2009 - 98th
2010 - 21st (DB Coach)
2011 - 31st (Assoc. HC/Co-DC/DB)
2012 - 42nd (Assoc. HC/DC)
2013 - 43rd (Assoc. HC/DC)
2014 - 2nd
Looking at the rankings, Stanford didn't immediatly get better when he moved up the coaching ladder. Concerning is Stanford's ranking YTD. We could pretend this being year 1 with so many young players and the new system as something similar to Stanford's '09 season. So far this year Vanderbilt is 104th in total defense. Maybe this year should be a mulligan, though you may be concerned with Vanderbilt's same period rankings.
Vanderbilt:
2009 - 42nd (CBJ)
2010 - 84th (CTI)
2011 - 19th (CJF)
2012 - 22nd (CJF)
2013 - 26th (CJF)
2014 - 104th (CJF)
Now the offensive philosophies in the PAC-12 & SEC are completely different at many places leading to higher total defense numbers, especially the last few years in the PAC-12.
My point is maybe, in this conference, when the players and system match better that we may be equal or better defensively than the last 3 years.
Maybe.
Offensively we were the last team in FBS to score an offensive TD. I will give you no arguement for our offense potentially getting better. If anyone wants to dig up Stanford's recent #'s (or better yet UCLA's during the reign of Dorrell) they can, although I don't think you'll find anything worthwhile to compare.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:26 pm to Open Dore Policy
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Too much money and confidence invested in Mason to can him. The defense is slowly but surely looking better.
I agree with this as amended. That being said, I would not be surprised if an assistant coach or coordinator were let go...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 3:28 pm to InThroughTheOutDore
I agree. The team does look better than the beginning, but the offense is minimal at best.
I expect something is going to change offensively one way or another.
I expect something is going to change offensively one way or another.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 4:53 pm to Vandyfan19
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What are the chances that Derrick Mason is only at Vandy for one season?
Derek not Derrick, Derrick is the Ravens guy
As to Derek Mason
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My main knock on Mason was his lack of southern exposure and this is still my concern. Several times on the Rant my questioning of Stanford failing to play any SEC teams in ages was a point of contention (see below) and it was a concern with the new coach. Like Notre Dame was supposed to have an SEC like defense and everybody outside the SEC accepted it until Alabama showed the Irish what a real SEC defense actually is. The past few years we have heard the same about Stanford and I was not sold this time either.
Do I think he should get canned for this after 1 year, the answer is no. However, if year 3 does not show better defensive play @ Vanderbilt then the seat should be getting toasty and I might not be so inclined to keep him. The point is, it takes time to get used to the SEC but in the end you have to win or at least look competitive to stay employed in it. As to the question of going to a smaller college for the next coach, my answer is about 80% no and that probably approaches 100% by the end of year 3.
PCC team 1916 - 1959
PCC dissolved from cheating scandal
PAC team 1964 - present
Stanford vs SEC only played 6 SEC games in all of Cardinal history, and half were Tulane who left in the 1960's
0-1 Alabama : 1927 (Southern, game was tie) and 1935 (both were Rose Bowls)
0-0 Arkansas : 1970 (SWC, Hogs lost) in Little Rock
0-0 Auburn : Never played
0-0 Florida : Never played
1-0 Georgia : 1978 (Bluebonnet Bowl, Dawgs lost)
0-0 Georgia Tech : 1991 (Aloha Bowl, Cardinal lost) 2001 (Seattle Bowl, Cardinal lost) - both in ACC
0-0 Kentucky : Never played
1-0 Louisiana State : 1977 (Sun Bowl, Tigers lost)
0-0 Missouri : 1971 (Big 8, Tigers lost) in Columbia
0-0 Mississippi : Never played
0-0 Mississippi State : Never played
0-0 Sewanee : Never played
0-0 South Carolina : Never played
0-0 Tennessee : Never played
0-0 Texas A&M : 1992 (SWC, Cardinal lost) in Anaheim CA at Pigskin Classic
3-0 Tulane : 8 games (61' 62' 65'' in SEC) + (66' 77' 78' 79' 80' as IND)
0-0 Vanderbilt : Never played
This post was edited on 10/15/14 at 8:42 am
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