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Does Saban learn from his mistakes?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:10 pm
There were a lot of things that raised question during the season, especially when it came to playing time. I can understand a guy like Jackson being in the dog house, but no one could understand Henry not getting more carries and guys like Ivory and Hubbard getting so much playing time on D. I hope he just plays the best players and says frick that he knows the system shite. I'd rather lose with a guy making mistakes learning how to play than a fricking sorry piece like Hubbard getting the nod because he has been here longer.
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Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
I think he answered that question in 2011 and 2012, respectively.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:20 pm to BamaPanic
quote:What about 2013? Seems as if he reverted back to some old ways or maybe we didn't notice them before
I think he answered that question in 2011 and 2012, respectively.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
Have we reached that annual point in the offseason when we begin to question Saban?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:11 pm to bigpapamac
quote:He is a man, he makes mistakes. He isn't perfect and has said so many times. It doesn't take away from the great things he has done, I'm just hoping he doesn't do it again. Sheesh
Have we reached that annual point in the offseason when we begin to question Saban?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:15 pm to MontyFranklyn
We lost two games last year. Two! Don't you remember when we barely won two games?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:19 pm to Bama Bird
quote:I sure do, but that doesn't have anything to do with my original question. Auburn was a game we definitely could have won if he had played Drake or Henry more. I will say that if we had a kicker worth a damn we could have beat them by 20 but oh well. I just think this year's team could have benefited more from so other guys getting more playing time last year.
We lost two games last year. Two! Don't you remember when we barely won two games?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:39 pm to MontyFranklyn
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but no one could understand Henry not getting more carries
I do and I did. Remember against VT? Henry was clearly not ready physically or mentally for pass protection duties. I don't care how good you are. If you can't pass protect, you don't deserve PT at RB. Same with WRs who won't work on being a good blocker.
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guys like Ivory and Hubbard getting so much playing time on D
Ivory: I don't know. Maybe they felt he was the only option. Lake played some too and sadly didn't do much better.
Hubbard: Upside and the fact that we really didn't have anyone else ready to play at Sam.
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I hope he just plays the best players and says frick that he knows the system shite. I'd rather lose with a guy making mistakes learning how to play than a fricking sorry piece like Hubbard getting the nod because he has been here longer.
I agree, to an extent.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:40 pm to Bama Bird
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We lost two games last year. Two! Don't you remember when we barely won two games?
Yep, and even then it was still considered unacceptable. Everyone who demands more is still appreciative of the success, but it's Alabama we're talking about. It's always title or bust. Nothing else is acceptable and should be considered a failure.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:52 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:Yea, but towards the end of the season it started to click for him. He definitely could have made a huge difference in the Auburn game. Putting Griffith in earlier could have made a difference in the Auburn game.
I do and I did. Remember against VT? Henry was clearly not ready physically or mentally for pass protection duties. I don't care how good you are. If you can't pass protect, you don't deserve PT at RB. Same with WRs who won't work on being a good blocker.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 8:58 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Yea, but towards the end of the season it started to click for him. He definitely could have made a huge difference in the Auburn game
Maybe so, but the rumors of him having great practices didn't really come until bowl prep. And then he blew up in the bowl game.
I think we'll get our fill of him over the next two years. I hope he can stay healthy. Would not mind seeing he and Yeldon both get around 200 carries, with Drake mixed in, but we probably won't run it that much.
ETA: And by that I mean we won't run it enough (unless we play 15) so that Yeldon and Henry could both cross 200 and Drake could still get ample amount of meaningful carries, plus QB runs/sacks and then garbage time runs.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:43 pm to MontyFranklyn
Henry clearly wasn't ready until later on. Watching the Sugar Bowl showed just how much he matured from the beginning of the season.
As far as Ivory and Hubbard, who would you have replacing them? There wasn't a whole lot of inspiration at the OLB position last year for sure. That could improve this upcoming year with Tim Williams and possibly Hand competing for a starting role.
My real hope is we simplify things in the secondary against HUNH teams. It didn't seem like we ever simplified things even though it was clear out guys were a bit lost out there especially after Sunseri went down. LSU is the team that seems to have the most success against those types of teams, and their playbook for defensive backs seems to rely latgelt on athleticism over strategy. It may be that what we are doing is most optimal for traditional tempo offenses but not for uptempo offenses. I'm mainly looking at the two A&M games and the Auburn game.
As far as Ivory and Hubbard, who would you have replacing them? There wasn't a whole lot of inspiration at the OLB position last year for sure. That could improve this upcoming year with Tim Williams and possibly Hand competing for a starting role.
My real hope is we simplify things in the secondary against HUNH teams. It didn't seem like we ever simplified things even though it was clear out guys were a bit lost out there especially after Sunseri went down. LSU is the team that seems to have the most success against those types of teams, and their playbook for defensive backs seems to rely latgelt on athleticism over strategy. It may be that what we are doing is most optimal for traditional tempo offenses but not for uptempo offenses. I'm mainly looking at the two A&M games and the Auburn game.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:49 pm to MontyFranklyn
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but no one could understand Henry not getting more carries
I could. Henry even said why he didn't get more carries. He had never learned how to pass block in high school. If you want to play RB at Alabama under Nick Saban, you have to be able to pass block. It took him a while to get the proper technique down.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:16 pm to UAFanFromNOLA
quote:That is another great point I was going to bring up. The combo man doesn't seem to work against HUNH. A simple man like LSU runs seems to work perfectly. Adjustments like these are what I'm looking for as well.
My real hope is we simplify things in the secondary against HUNH teams. It didn't seem like we ever simplified things even though it was clear out guys were a bit lost out there especially after Sunseri went down. LSU is the team that seems to have the most success against those types of teams, and their playbook for defensive backs seems to rely latgelt on athleticism over strategy. It may be that what we are doing is most optimal for traditional tempo offenses but not for uptempo offenses. I'm mainly looking at the two A&M games and the Auburn game.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:16 pm to MontyFranklyn
Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.
shite happens.
He knows what he is doing.
He hates to lose worse than any fan.
shite happens.
He knows what he is doing.
He hates to lose worse than any fan.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:25 pm to Hater Bait
quote:Didn't say other wise, but doing the same thing while others are doing things to counter it isn't going work. You must evolve as the game does.
Nick Saban is the best coach in college football.
shite happens.
He knows what he is doing.
He hates to lose worse than any fan.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:32 pm to MontyFranklyn
I believe he knows we need more speed on defense.
Our offense with ball control will work.
All we need is the "fast twitch" guys on D and he has recruited like a mad man for it.
outside of the kicking game, what else can he do?
Our offense with ball control will work.
All we need is the "fast twitch" guys on D and he has recruited like a mad man for it.
outside of the kicking game, what else can he do?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 11:54 pm to MontyFranklyn
First of all, I don't treat it like a two loss season. As far as I'm concerned, the Sugar Bowl is absolutely meaningless. We've seen it twice now...there's nothing you can do to make a team get up for an opponent they don't want to play, in a bowl they don't want to be in. 2008 and 2013...same story, with two completely different rosters. Cap One bowl was different...that team had no chance to be in a bigger bowl and wanted to go out and prove that they were a lot better than lots of people thought.
As far as learning from mistakes, one of my biggest concerns is the fact that we either can't/don't/won't go out and find the best kicker out there, or we don't coach him adequately when he gets here. Watching our placekicking in the A-Day game...after the way 2013 ended...was downright depressing. One short FG missed, one FG blocked, and one PAT missed. In 2011, 9-6 exposed a real weakness there and nothing seemed to be done to address it. We sailed along for a couple of years, never finding ourselves in a situation where clutch FG kicking was needed to win a game until the Auburn game. One might think that the FG kicking game would have become an area of special emphasis, but there's no evidence that it has. Does that mean Saban made a mistake and didn't learn from it? I don't know. I do feel that, except for Jeremy Shelley, our place kicking has sucked way too badly for way too long for a program of our caliber.
As far as learning from mistakes, one of my biggest concerns is the fact that we either can't/don't/won't go out and find the best kicker out there, or we don't coach him adequately when he gets here. Watching our placekicking in the A-Day game...after the way 2013 ended...was downright depressing. One short FG missed, one FG blocked, and one PAT missed. In 2011, 9-6 exposed a real weakness there and nothing seemed to be done to address it. We sailed along for a couple of years, never finding ourselves in a situation where clutch FG kicking was needed to win a game until the Auburn game. One might think that the FG kicking game would have become an area of special emphasis, but there's no evidence that it has. Does that mean Saban made a mistake and didn't learn from it? I don't know. I do feel that, except for Jeremy Shelley, our place kicking has sucked way too badly for way too long for a program of our caliber.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 1:11 am to MontyFranklyn
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Yea, but towards the end of the season it started to click for him.
Can you please cite examples which do not involve garbage time?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 1:27 am to RollTide1987
quote:Those are the only examples available.
Can you please cite examples which do not involve garbage time?
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