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Dave Hart Surprised by Martin Leaving
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:05 pm
Assuming Hart isn't being a bit coy, looks like Martin did this in a sneaky manner. That changes my opinion of him as a person. No need to do this on the sly - just be up front and honest about it.
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Hart surprised by Martin departure: Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart said he didn't expect to have a press conference Tuesday to discuss his search for a new men's basketball coach.
"Today is also a surprise for me," Hart said. But the Vols are indeed looking for a new coach after Cuonzo Martin accepted the head coaching position at Cal.
Hart said he planned to make a hire as soon as possible, but that the process wouldn't be rushed. He said he wanted a "winner," and he said that could mean either a veteran coach or a "rising star" in the business. He said experience in the SEC or The South in general wouldn't be a deal-breaker.
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Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:11 pm to Prof
if that's the case, then Hart is an idiot... i'm guessing he's not really all that surprised, but who UT hires will be telling.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:22 pm to lowspark12
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if that's the case, then Hart is an idiot... i'm guessing he's not really all that surprised, but who UT hires will be telling.
Hart also offered an extension and raise (a lot of people think he didn't but he did). If Hart didn't know he got caught flatfooted. I really hope he DID know. However, if Zo did this like a coward than it changes my opinion of him. I've always thought he was a great man and one with impeccable integrity and character - the kind of guy you'd trust with your wallet and kids because he was so straightforward.
I hope Hart is just being coy because I don't want the AD being blind nor do I want to think CCM isn't the kind of guy we always thought he was because he really did come across as good human being and most coaches don't.
In retrospect, our guest coaches for the O&W were women's bball coach Holly Warlick and the men's swim coach. Holly makes sense but it seemed weird the swim coach was there - bet Martin was originally supposed to be the other guest and that either he knew and turned it down or they knew and chose the swim guy. Coach Warlick and Coach Martin would've made a lot more sense than Coach Warlick and the swim coach.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:32 pm to Prof
if martin turned down an extension/raise, then hart is a fool if he got blindsided by this... but i'm guessing that's not the case.
this is just a strange situation all around... martin wasn't hired by hart, so i understand him slowplaying CM... but (depending on who UT hires) he could end up looking really dumb in all of this.
this is just a strange situation all around... martin wasn't hired by hart, so i understand him slowplaying CM... but (depending on who UT hires) he could end up looking really dumb in all of this.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 2:40 pm to lowspark12
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Dave Hart Surprised by Martin Leaving
if martin turned down an extension/raise, then hart is a fool if he got blindsided by this... but i'm guessing that's not the case.
this is just a strange situation all around... martin wasn't hired by hart, so i understand him slowplaying CM... but (depending on who UT hires) he could end up looking really dumb in all of this.
Word is Martin agreed to the extension verbally and if that's the case - verbal agreements do matter in any contract disputes and may matter in terms of buyout etc..
But since the O&W game was this weekend and Martin wasn't there as the other basketball Coach/guest coach beside Holly it would make sense to me that Hart knew something was going on even if Martin didn't tell him directly. I can't imagine Hart being that dumb nor can I imagine that the original plan for the O&W game was for Holly and the swim coach instead of Holly and Cuonzo - both basketball coaches fresh off a sweet 16 makes a helluva lot more sense than the swim coach I don't even know the name of.
But we'll see. I think Martin thought Stokes was staying and when Stokes decided to go pro, Martin bailed. What happened in between is what I'm curious about.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:14 pm to Prof
bullshite.
Mike Bohn ran him off. The same thing he did with Gruden, the same thing he did with Fulmer, and the same fricking thing he did with Pearl.
Mike Bohn ran him off. The same thing he did with Gruden, the same thing he did with Fulmer, and the same fricking thing he did with Pearl.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:25 pm to Prof
If Martin snuck out and surprised everyone in Knoxville, then the UT fanbase got exactly what they deserved.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:33 pm to Prof
Oh come on.
They were praying for him to leave and obviously made him uncomfortable enough that he got out without them paying severance. No one should believe this song and dance.
They were praying for him to leave and obviously made him uncomfortable enough that he got out without them paying severance. No one should believe this song and dance.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:34 pm to bamawriter
EXACTLY!
Posted on 4/15/14 at 4:48 pm to bamawriter
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If Martin snuck out and surprised everyone in Knoxville, then the UT fanbase got exactly what they deserved.
You really think a small % of people signing an online petition, complete with fake names and the ability for anyone to sign and sign multiple times, that was blown up AND misreported on by the media (bet you even believe it was to fire him) = fanbase getting what they deserved?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:03 pm to Prof
fireronzook.com wishes they could have gotten 30,000 names on a petition
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:11 pm to cornhat
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fireronzook.com wishes they could have gotten 30,000 names on a petition
I'm pretty sure he'd get far more than that had online petitions been a thing back then.
The thing is that petition, and no I didn't sign it, wasn't even to fire Martin. It was to consider/hire Pearl in the event that Martin get fired at the end of the season and when they wrote there was every reason to think Martin would get fired. People wanted the AD to know that if there was an opening they better at least consider Bruce who at the time was still living in Knoxville. However, it was never a push to fire Martin so much as people thought he was going to get fired and wanted Bruce if that happened. Of course, the media never bothered with the details and even the petition didn't get that much in the way signatures until the media blew it up and then Clay Travis and several NATIONAL MEDIA outlets started writing articles about how UT should rehire Bruce Pearl.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:23 pm to Prof
quote:So basically what you are telling us is that CCM was offered an extension with a raise, and the petition wasn't for firing CCM, but to notify the AD that the fans wanted him to consider Pearl "if" he chose to fire CCM at the end of the season? So "if" CCM felt valued by the AD (extension/raise offered) and the fanbase wasn't gunning for the AD to fire him, then why did he bolt?
I'm pretty sure he'd get far more than that had online petitions been a thing back then.
The thing is that petition, and no I didn't sign it, wasn't even to fire Martin. It was to consider/hire Pearl in the event that Martin get fired at the end of the season and when they wrote there was every reason to think Martin would get fired. People wanted the AD to know that if there was an opening they better at least consider Bruce who at the time was still living in Knoxville. However, it was never a push to fire Martin so much as people thought he was going to get fired and wanted Bruce if that happened. Of course, the media never bothered with the details and even the petition didn't get that much in the way signatures until the media blew it up and then Clay Travis and several NATIONAL MEDIA outlets started writing articles about how UT should rehire Bruce Pearl.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:32 pm to RT1941
They won't be able to explain that because the raise/extension is literal bullshite. This is the same type of ploy that cost Tee Martin to go back to USC and Graham to go to FSU.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:35 pm to robsports
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Graham
frick Jay Graham.
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:36 pm to Prof
The petition is gone so I can't read it or find it cached but when I searched, the results pulled up threads in which the Vol fans who did sign absolutely wanted Martin fired and Pearl to replace him. Haven't read any post or site that insinuated the petition had as much nuance as you're saying.
This is coming from McRae himself:
This is coming from McRae himself:
Posted on 4/15/14 at 5:43 pm to robsports
Two polar opposite views from posters on here about the details of what happened. Prof makes it sound like he has an inside source.
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