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The Blues 2014 Playoff Thread.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:05 pm to Mizz-SEC
Agreed wtf happen to them, i know injuries hurt but my god they tanked bad to end the season.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:05 pm to Mizz-SEC
Yep, one of the worst and quickest collapses I can ever remember in the NHL.
This team will be REALLY lucky not to get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.
This team will be REALLY lucky not to get swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:08 pm to kilo
Im not very optimistic, best season they had and complete tank job 
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:12 pm to Mizz-SEC
Here's the deal about the Blues.
They suck.
They've always sucked.
They are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL.
I've always enjoyed watching the Busch Light drinking hoosiers around the county get their yearly hard on for the Blues.
Only to be teased and disappointed year after year.
They should be renamed the St. Louis Blue Balls.
They suck.
They've always sucked.
They are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL.
I've always enjoyed watching the Busch Light drinking hoosiers around the county get their yearly hard on for the Blues.
Only to be teased and disappointed year after year.
They should be renamed the St. Louis Blue Balls.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:18 pm to Remote Controlled
Lets not overlook the fact that we just lost too many player to injuries in the top 9. We literally lost 2 full lines out of the top 3 lines.
No team in the league has the depth to overcome that. No one.
No team in the league has the depth to overcome that. No one.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:19 pm to Remote Controlled
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They are the Chicago Cubs of the NHL.
No. I dont get this comparison at all. Its dumb and not accurate.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:23 pm to Remote Controlled
Eh, it's the same thing every year. Trade, stand pat. Makes no difference. Goalie meltdowns / can't score.
Only this year seems more pronounced.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:25 pm to kilo
Im pretty excited they brought up Rattie, want to see what he can do with our top players.
It all went downhill when Tarasenko went down , hopefully he comes back quickly.
It all went downhill when Tarasenko went down , hopefully he comes back quickly.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:32 pm to Mizz-SEC
The Blues were destined to burn out, and truthfully they're not that great. Their win total is inflated because they outwork teams for most of the regular season, but when it comes down to it, their roster isn't as good as their win total.
They're demanded to bring a playoff effort for 82 games, which isn't the standard across the league. There is more of a 'marathon' mentality with other teams.
Hitch doesn't roll like that, though. He wants the pedal to the metal all year, and that will burn any team out. Plus the Blues had so many guys go the the olympics, that's big.
Guys like Steen are two way, second line players. Steen is a great penalty killer, a good guy to have on the second power play unit. A guy that can play both ends of the ice, do a lot of things, but he's not a major point getter. What he did at the beginning of the year was a flash in the pan. Oshie is the same way, he's a second or even third line NHLer on a great team. He's a two way player, he's not a gifted skill player.
The Blues have lied to their fans for too long, and it's really starting to hurt morale.
There is a huge major gigantic misconception about many Blues players. The Davidson years were full of fluff and sugar coated marketing campaigns. Guys that are good hockey players but not elite skilled players have been inaccurately marketed to Blues fans. Panger was pumping Oshie after the olympics, telling Blues fans that he's got some of the most skill in the world, hogwash. That's absolute nonsense. These lies are now coming home to roost.
Not to mention the Blues have drafted so pathetically that a new word needs to be created to accurately describe how absolutely fricking god awful and embarrassingly bad they've drafted over the last decade, its even fair to say decades. It's got to be one of the worst drafting franchises in major sports.
They're demanded to bring a playoff effort for 82 games, which isn't the standard across the league. There is more of a 'marathon' mentality with other teams.
Hitch doesn't roll like that, though. He wants the pedal to the metal all year, and that will burn any team out. Plus the Blues had so many guys go the the olympics, that's big.
Guys like Steen are two way, second line players. Steen is a great penalty killer, a good guy to have on the second power play unit. A guy that can play both ends of the ice, do a lot of things, but he's not a major point getter. What he did at the beginning of the year was a flash in the pan. Oshie is the same way, he's a second or even third line NHLer on a great team. He's a two way player, he's not a gifted skill player.
The Blues have lied to their fans for too long, and it's really starting to hurt morale.
There is a huge major gigantic misconception about many Blues players. The Davidson years were full of fluff and sugar coated marketing campaigns. Guys that are good hockey players but not elite skilled players have been inaccurately marketed to Blues fans. Panger was pumping Oshie after the olympics, telling Blues fans that he's got some of the most skill in the world, hogwash. That's absolute nonsense. These lies are now coming home to roost.
Not to mention the Blues have drafted so pathetically that a new word needs to be created to accurately describe how absolutely fricking god awful and embarrassingly bad they've drafted over the last decade, its even fair to say decades. It's got to be one of the worst drafting franchises in major sports.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:38 pm to Sleeping Tiger
That said, if Taransenko comes back without much rust, and things can get going the right way the Blues are capable of beating anyone in a 7 game series.
Just keep in mind that if it's teams like the Hawks, Kings, Ducks, Av's.. they've got at least 2, but more like 3-4 elite skilled players and the Blues don't really have any.
When things get locked up you need a guy like Kane, or Kopitar, Carter, Sharp ect to break through.
Just keep in mind that if it's teams like the Hawks, Kings, Ducks, Av's.. they've got at least 2, but more like 3-4 elite skilled players and the Blues don't really have any.
When things get locked up you need a guy like Kane, or Kopitar, Carter, Sharp ect to break through.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:52 pm to Sleeping Tiger
People completely ignoring the injuries this team has suffered kind of makes me laugh.
No offense but if you cant point to the injuries and not attribute this slide to that instead of them being the "cubs" or burnout, or not being that good I dont know what yo tell you.
This slide is bad but the catalysts is an was injuries.
There is NO TEAM in the NHL that would be able to withstand losing 6 out of your top 9 forwards.
Thats two freaking lines.
Dont know, baring a miracle I think the team is toast in the playoffs and injuries are the critical reason for this.
No offense but if you cant point to the injuries and not attribute this slide to that instead of them being the "cubs" or burnout, or not being that good I dont know what yo tell you.
This slide is bad but the catalysts is an was injuries.
There is NO TEAM in the NHL that would be able to withstand losing 6 out of your top 9 forwards.
Thats two freaking lines.
Dont know, baring a miracle I think the team is toast in the playoffs and injuries are the critical reason for this.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 3:57 pm to kilo
Injuries absolutely are a part of this, but it's not the whole story.
I have been telling people all year the Blues are a regular season team and this would all come crashing down at the end. It sucks because now the injury thing is going to be used as an excuse (as it's a legitimate reason for the collapse), but the reality is the Blues were living off more than their means during the regular season. Work ethic and the type of 4 line team they are is perfect for winning night after night in the regular season. That gets cancelled out when teams play with playoff intensity.
6 of the top 9? That's not accurate, and most guys haven't missed extended time, and most of the time it hasn't been all at once. And signs of this slide have been going on for awhile, before the injury list grew to where it is right now.
The Blues have zero A+ forwards. They're like a rotation with no ace, just as most World Series contenders have co aces, true contenders for the cup have at least 2 elite world class players. Think Crosby, Malkin. Kane, Toews. Kopitar, Carter. Ect. The Blues don't even have one, let alone 2+ like all the other true contenders.
I have been telling people all year the Blues are a regular season team and this would all come crashing down at the end. It sucks because now the injury thing is going to be used as an excuse (as it's a legitimate reason for the collapse), but the reality is the Blues were living off more than their means during the regular season. Work ethic and the type of 4 line team they are is perfect for winning night after night in the regular season. That gets cancelled out when teams play with playoff intensity.
6 of the top 9? That's not accurate, and most guys haven't missed extended time, and most of the time it hasn't been all at once. And signs of this slide have been going on for awhile, before the injury list grew to where it is right now.
The Blues have zero A+ forwards. They're like a rotation with no ace, just as most World Series contenders have co aces, true contenders for the cup have at least 2 elite world class players. Think Crosby, Malkin. Kane, Toews. Kopitar, Carter. Ect. The Blues don't even have one, let alone 2+ like all the other true contenders.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:10 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Think Crosby, Malkin. Kane, Toews. Kopitar, Carter. Ect. The Blues don't even have one, let alone 2+ like all the other true contenders.
Lindstom, Datsyuk.
Lucic, Burgeron.
Getzlaf, Perry.
The list goes on and on.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:37 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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have been telling people all year the Blues are a regular season team and this would all come crashing down at the end. It sucks because now the injury thing is going to be used as an excuse
Haha, what a joke. It is the injury thing. Sorry brother, you are not some Nostradamus. Trying to spin this is weird man.
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6 of the top 9? That's not accurate
Beglund,Oshie,Backes,Sobotka,Tarasenko,Morrow,Roy.
All missed games or are still out during the losing streak
Oh, its accurate, it might not fit your narrative but its definitely accurate.
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And signs of this slide have been going on for awhile, before the injury list grew to where it is right now.
Really, when was that?
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The Blues have zero A+ forwards. They're like a rotation with no ace, just as most World Series contenders have co aces, true contenders for the cup have at least 2 elite world class players. Think Crosby, Malkin. Kane, Toews. Kopitar, Carter. Ect. The Blues don't even have one, let alone 2+ like all the other true contenders.
Im not sure I would call all the Blues forwards "2nd line talents" again, it seems your are just shaping things to fit your narrative.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 4:40 pm to ManicTiger
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Lindstom, Datsyuk.
Lucic, Burgeron.
Getzlaf, Perry.
The list goes on and on.
That list will grow really long if we're counting guys who retired multiple seasons ago like Lidstrom.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:34 pm to kilo
You basically cherry picked that post.
Like I said, not all of those guys have missed much time, and they haven't been out at the same time. Some of them just got hurt this week. The Blues haven't been playing well for the last 20 games. There was another drop off 15 games ago, and we've seen yet another drop here in the last two weeks.
Sobotka was out months ago, but he came back before this slide really started.
Tarasenko's the only guy during this skid that has missed extended time.
The amount of guys out right now are definitely contributing to the way the last 5 games have gone, but things were not going great before that. And maybe ponder for a second the notion that maybe the burnout effect has contributed to the late season injury bug.
What's funny is you're the one that is trying to make things sound different to fit a 'narrative'. I'm the one trying to explain what actually has happened. Saying not a team can withstand 6 out of the top 9 forwards being out is very misleading.
Yeah, you're not getting it.
The Blues have first liners, but they don't have any elite forwards.
Steen, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz kind of guys are definitely first line players but they're not in the same echelon as the Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Kopitar, Sharp, Datsyuk, type players. Each contender has at least 2 of these type of guys up front, but not the Blues.
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Beglund,Oshie,Backes,Sobotka,Tarasenko,Morrow,Roy.
All missed games or are still out during the losing streak
Oh, its accurate, it might not fit your narrative but its definitely accurate.
Like I said, not all of those guys have missed much time, and they haven't been out at the same time. Some of them just got hurt this week. The Blues haven't been playing well for the last 20 games. There was another drop off 15 games ago, and we've seen yet another drop here in the last two weeks.
Sobotka was out months ago, but he came back before this slide really started.
Tarasenko's the only guy during this skid that has missed extended time.
The amount of guys out right now are definitely contributing to the way the last 5 games have gone, but things were not going great before that. And maybe ponder for a second the notion that maybe the burnout effect has contributed to the late season injury bug.
What's funny is you're the one that is trying to make things sound different to fit a 'narrative'. I'm the one trying to explain what actually has happened. Saying not a team can withstand 6 out of the top 9 forwards being out is very misleading.
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Im not sure I would call all the Blues forwards "2nd line talents" again, it seems your are just shaping things to fit your narrative.
Yeah, you're not getting it.
The Blues have first liners, but they don't have any elite forwards.
Steen, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz kind of guys are definitely first line players but they're not in the same echelon as the Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Kopitar, Sharp, Datsyuk, type players. Each contender has at least 2 of these type of guys up front, but not the Blues.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 5:57 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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You basically cherry picked that post.
No I did not. I addressed all the major points you brought up in that post.
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Like I said, not all of those guys have missed much time, and they haven't been out at the same time. Some of them just got hurt this week. The Blues haven't been playing well for the last 20 games. There was another drop off 15 games ago, and we've seen yet another drop here in the last two weeks.
Wrong. I also forgot Steen and Jackman also missed some time during this losing streak.
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Sobotka was out months ago, but he came back before this slide really started.
Wrong again, see above link.
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Tarasenko's the only guy during this skid that has missed extended time.
Whats extended time during a 7 game losing streak man? Look at the injuries Haha. Come on brother. Stop it.
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What's funny is you're the one that is trying to make things sound different to fit a 'narrative'. I'm the one trying to explain what actually has happened. Saying not a team can withstand 6 out of the top 9 forwards being out is very misleading.
Really? This team was a presidents trophy contender until the doors came off because of injuries. You are the one trying to spin this as "see I told you" and downplaying the injury angle.
I linked the injury roster, the Blues beat writers, national pundits etc all agree that the team is in a tailspin and the catalyst for that tailspin is insurmountable injuries.
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Yeah, you're not getting it.
The Blues have first liners, but they don't have any elite forwards.
Steen, Backes, Tarasenko, Schwartz kind of guys are definitely first line players but they're not in the same echelon as the Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Kopitar, Sharp, Datsyuk, type players. Each contender has at least 2 of these type of guys up front, but not the Blues.
No, I "get it" just fine.
I often look into the rafters and wonder where all the banners are when the Blues had "elite" forwards in shanahan Oates Hull Gretzky Federko.....
Also, you may not think so but there isnt a team in the NHL that wouldnt take Backes and Steen and slap them on their first line. Backes is considered an "elite" power forward.
Dont know man. Im not trying to pick a fight with you but its a little irritating that you are trying to spin this stuff.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:22 pm to kilo
You're being kind of retarded right now.
You didn't comprehend anything in a fair or rational way, and you don't get what is being said about the different between a first liner and a truly elite player.
I just poured a Tank 7 and I'm going to watch this storm roll in.
You didn't comprehend anything in a fair or rational way, and you don't get what is being said about the different between a first liner and a truly elite player.
I just poured a Tank 7 and I'm going to watch this storm roll in.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:23 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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You're being kind of retarded right now.
You didn't comprehend anything in a fair or rational way, and you don't get what is being said about the different between a first liner and a truly elite player.
Ah yes, there is the mogray we all know and love.
Oh, and frick you.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 6:24 pm
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