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Taking a look at why exactly the offense needs some changes
Posted on 1/18/14 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 1/18/14 at 1:40 pm
We all know the offense has churned out yardage well and scored at a good rate. However, ever since Coach Kiffin was hired, it sees like a lot of people don't understand why the offense needs to change.
Well, for one we've been scoring points and gaining yardage simply because we were more talented than the other teams. Wasn't a lot of great offensive scheming behind it.
But more importantly, it's what has happened in Alabama's last six regular season losses.
We scored 21 points against South Carolina...with 6 first round picks on offense. (Carpenter, Warmack, Fluker, Julio, Ingram, Richardson)
We scored 21 points against South Carolina with the same six on offense.
We scored 27 against Auburn with the same six on offense.
We scored 6 in an OT game against LSU with 3 first round picks on offense, plus a second round pick. (Richardson, Warmack, Fluker, and Lacy)
We scored 24 against Texas A&M with 2 first round picks on offense and a second round pick. (Warmack, Fluker, and Lacy) Plus, four other players who will likely be drafted in the first three rounds of the draft. (TJ Yeldon, Amari Cooper, Cyrus Kouandjio, AJ McCarron)
We scored 28 against Auburn, as of now none of those players have had a chance to be drafted.
The point here is, we keep trying to just play offense with superior talent, but when we run into a team that matches the talent or is really hungry, we fail to score 30, which should be unacceptable with the amount of talent we have. Saban knows this and is looking to Kiffin to actually come up with great schemes for every single game, not just one or two a year.
Well, for one we've been scoring points and gaining yardage simply because we were more talented than the other teams. Wasn't a lot of great offensive scheming behind it.
But more importantly, it's what has happened in Alabama's last six regular season losses.
We scored 21 points against South Carolina...with 6 first round picks on offense. (Carpenter, Warmack, Fluker, Julio, Ingram, Richardson)
We scored 21 points against South Carolina with the same six on offense.
We scored 27 against Auburn with the same six on offense.
We scored 6 in an OT game against LSU with 3 first round picks on offense, plus a second round pick. (Richardson, Warmack, Fluker, and Lacy)
We scored 24 against Texas A&M with 2 first round picks on offense and a second round pick. (Warmack, Fluker, and Lacy) Plus, four other players who will likely be drafted in the first three rounds of the draft. (TJ Yeldon, Amari Cooper, Cyrus Kouandjio, AJ McCarron)
We scored 28 against Auburn, as of now none of those players have had a chance to be drafted.
The point here is, we keep trying to just play offense with superior talent, but when we run into a team that matches the talent or is really hungry, we fail to score 30, which should be unacceptable with the amount of talent we have. Saban knows this and is looking to Kiffin to actually come up with great schemes for every single game, not just one or two a year.
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Posted on 1/18/14 at 2:52 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I like how Mac did with the offense. I think nuss was a miserable failure of an OC. We just need to run like a motherfricker. That's what running backs come to alabama for. Our dominant running game that was missing this year.
It seems to me that Kiffin changes his playbook according to the player personel, so there should be no reason our players are underutilized.
It seems to me that Kiffin changes his playbook according to the player personel, so there should be no reason our players are underutilized.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 3:57 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:That is really misleading since Fluker and Warmack were two years away from being 1st round picks. We struggled with offensive line and secondary consistency that whole year.
We scored 21 points against South Carolina...with 6 first round picks on offense. (Carpenter, Warmack, Fluker, Julio, Ingram, Richardson)
The 2011 LSU game was not a good offensive game plan, but I don't think much was going to work with AJ struggling in that game the way he was and LSU's defense being that good.
I agree with you about the A&M game.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:05 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I felt like our main problem offensively was that we tried to remain too balanced at times. Pretty split on running and passing on first down all year, regardless of the opponent. Spreading it out evenly among multiple backs and receivers can keep a defense from guessing too much, but at times when we had an obvious advantage in a one-on-one matchup I felt like we could have exploited it for far more points. Sometimes you have to change up what you do offensively based on what team you're facing, which we didn't do enough of in our losses.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:12 pm to RTOTA
the offense was fine all year. We just were a notch down on defense against 2 good teams.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 10:54 pm to droliver
That's pretty true but the OL was pretty bad all year too + some fumbling arse RBs...do I need to tell you how many times our main 2 RB's lost the ball? It lost us the game against Oklahoma. That fumble Yeldon was a game changer big time.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 1/19/14 at 1:24 pm to droliver
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the offense was fine all year. We just were a notch down on defense against 2 good teams.
I'd say holding Auburn to 28 points is pretty good. Defense was more than good enough to win all our regular season games. Whenever we need our offense to dominate a game though they were ineffective. The exception is really the A&M game this year, and that seems like it was almost entirely due to the incredibly poor Aggie defense. We have too much talent on that side of the ball to not be able to come through against even mediocre opponents.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 6:30 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I know that Lane will have his hands full mentoring QB's and teaching the offense but one sure way to improve our offense is to take Henry off the bench and for Gods sake use OJ Howard. He's a nightmare for a LB and Safetys.
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:26 pm to CrimsonChin
OJ on a slant when we were down. in the Red Zone the last time would have been 6 .
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:46 pm to droliver
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the offense was fine all year. We just were a notch down on defense against 2 good teams.
The offense wasn't fine against VT, CSU, MSU, and when we needed it to be against AU and OU.
Stats weren't a problem with our offense. It was producing when it mattered and not taking what the defense gave us. We've completely gone away from MTAQ.
McElwein kind of hit ceiling, was a poor QB recruiter, and had a tough time in the redzone....but he played to our strengths. The offense always adapted each year. He was also around at a time when we weren't facing the caliber of offense we're facing now. Nuss churned out yardage and points....but was a slave to balance and didn't adjust well during games.
This post was edited on 1/21/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:22 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
This is just unrealistic.
Those of you expecting some kind of big change on offense are going to be disappointed. McElwain was very good, and Nuss wasn't bad. Hopefully Kiffin is a pretty good playcaller, because the scheme is going to be basically the same. They'll run SOME hurry up, just like they've been doing for the past 5 years - probably a little more often, but nothing drastic.
The "problem" last year was the offensive line wasn't a dominant run-blocking line, as I said before the season started. So we tried to pass more. They couldn't line up and blow 8 guys out of the box like some of the previous lines (sans 2010).
Those of you expecting some kind of big change on offense are going to be disappointed. McElwain was very good, and Nuss wasn't bad. Hopefully Kiffin is a pretty good playcaller, because the scheme is going to be basically the same. They'll run SOME hurry up, just like they've been doing for the past 5 years - probably a little more often, but nothing drastic.
The "problem" last year was the offensive line wasn't a dominant run-blocking line, as I said before the season started. So we tried to pass more. They couldn't line up and blow 8 guys out of the box like some of the previous lines (sans 2010).
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:49 am to Teague
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Those of you expecting some kind of big change on offense are going to be disappointed
Don't really want wholesale changes. Just want to see the offense be efficient when we need it to be, play to our strengths, and take what the defense gives us.
Posted on 1/22/14 at 4:20 pm to FairhopeTider
The problem with Bama's offense is Saban.
You (should)pass against 8 in the box, you run against 6 in the box. We are the opposite.
Saban is predictable and wants a predictable offense, you take chances on first and 10 with the play action after you set it up with runs.
It's unbelievable how predictable our play calling is. We have a 5 star TE who's a nightmare matchup, but instead of creating formations to get him isolated on runstopping LB's we just use him as a decoy 98% of the time.
2nd and short - expect a run, 3rd and short- expect a run or pass to the FB, 4th and short - we'll probably punt or run a fake in the right situation.
We run the same offense against LSU's defense, that we run against Texas A&Ms defense. No wrinkles to exploit the agg's lack of defensive talent, we just expect our plays to work better because they have lesser athletes.
You (should)pass against 8 in the box, you run against 6 in the box. We are the opposite.
Saban is predictable and wants a predictable offense, you take chances on first and 10 with the play action after you set it up with runs.
It's unbelievable how predictable our play calling is. We have a 5 star TE who's a nightmare matchup, but instead of creating formations to get him isolated on runstopping LB's we just use him as a decoy 98% of the time.
2nd and short - expect a run, 3rd and short- expect a run or pass to the FB, 4th and short - we'll probably punt or run a fake in the right situation.
We run the same offense against LSU's defense, that we run against Texas A&Ms defense. No wrinkles to exploit the agg's lack of defensive talent, we just expect our plays to work better because they have lesser athletes.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:09 am to JB Bama
I think there's some truth to that, but I also think the playcalling was better under McElwain. The weak offensive line this past year also limited the effectiveness of certain plays against certain defenses.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:26 pm to Teague
The OL didn't play up to championship levels for sure. But why in the hell does a smart coach like Nick Saban not run the shite out of Henry or throw the ball to Howard every time a LB matches up on him? Nick seems to be leaning toward seniority at certain positions.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:37 pm to CrimsonChin
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The OL didn't play up to championship levels for sure. But why in the hell does a smart coach like Nick Saban not run the shite out of Henry or throw the ball to Howard every time a LB matches up on him? Nick seems to be leaning toward seniority at certain positions.
There's probably some truth to that, but not sure how much. Looking back on the Sugar Bowl, its amazing how somebody didn't just say "Let's just keep giving the ball to Henry." Just like somebody should've been yelling "Just run the ball" against A&M in 2012. Saban probably gives his OC a lot of independence during the game, but he's got a headset on as well...so the blame can go around.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 1:02 pm
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