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The play from Kiffin's Vols tnat stands out in my mind.

Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:50 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:50 am
Remember the pass play to set up the final FG attempt? Remember who that pass was to?

We're gonna see a helluva lot more of Mr. Howard.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:52 am to
People pretend like he wasn't in the gameplan this year. He didn't beat jams that was his fault.
Posted by CrimsonTusk
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:52 am to
He knows pro style match up football and knows the road there is by opening up the pass with the run. Remember how hard Hardesty ran that year?
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:54 am to
That is one thing Nussmeier never seemed to do much of (compared to say McElwain) was exploit matchups. The offense was successful but we only really won a few close games.

Nussmeier would have never exploited the Smash routes from Norwood over the Honey Badger like Jmac.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:58 am to
quote:

Libertyabides71
The play from Kiffin's Vols tnat stands out in my mind.
People pretend like he wasn't in the gameplan this year. He didn't beat jams that was his fault.




So now he's gonna get coached up.

29 and 5 vs. 14 and 2.

That's Luke Stocker's catches and TDs in 2009 compared to Howard's this year. I wouldn't attribute less than half the production to simply "not beating jams". Either way, that's an area that will see a lot more production next year.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:58 am to
I can't believe we had Dareus covering the TE.
Posted by sarc
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:59 am to
I don't think he was a significant part of our gameplans. Even if he was having a hard time beating jams, there are ways around that.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:00 am to
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So now he's gonna get coached up.

29 and 5 vs. 14 and 2.

That's Luke Stocker's catches and TDs in 2009 compared to Howard's this year. I wouldn't attribute less than half the production to simply "not beating jams". Either way, that's an area that will see a lot more production next year.




OJ weighed 237, if you don't think we threw to the TE's under McElwain/Nuss you must be smoking something. OJ showed up way underweight and it showed throughout the year.

I get the praise for Kiffin, put things in perspective.
Posted by sarc
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:03 am to
Funny that OJ was able to handle all the blocking responsibilities of a TE at that weight yet it somehow hindered him as a receiving threat.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:08 am to
We had hard times running off tackle against good teams. Most catches he had in a ball game were 3 and it was against ATM (great defense). And his long pass against LSU he was matched up at WR on a backup safety. Neither of his TD's came in the redzone, where Michael Williams, Travis McCall, and Nick Walker were weapons.

He was a commit for two years, an early enrollee yet his playing weight was less than Henry's despite being 3 inches taller. Someone didn't hit the weights hard at all.
Posted by sarc
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:12 am to
I'm telling you I've seen him up close and the kid hasn't been slacking in the weight room. He's a completely different animal from BMW, McCall, and Walker and if we're trying to use him the same way as them then that's a mistake
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:13 am to
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Someone didn't hit the weights hard at all.

Not surprised. He came from Autauga Academy.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:14 am to
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I'm telling you I've seen him up close and the kid hasn't been slacking in the weight room. He's a completely different animal from BMW, McCall, and Walker and if we're trying to use him the same way as them then that's a mistake




Making him play the Y is a mistake?
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:19 am to
We need to use him more like Michigan used Devin Funchess.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:19 am to
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Making him play the Y is a mistake?


That's not what I said. Having him body up/block out in the red zone like a big-bodied TE would be a mistake.
Posted by Libertyabides71
Fyffe Alabama (Yeah the UFO place)
Member since Jul 2013
5082 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:24 am to
He is going to have to set the edge on Zone plays with or without an H beside him. And he has to get off jams. Lots of times in the red zone this year you saw AJ dart his eyes to the side, that was because OJ was the primary read and was stalemated by a DE at the line of scrimmage.

When a kid commits to us they start the 4th quarter program. Him not showing up with 250 plus of good weight on his 6'6" frame is on him.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Libertyabides71
The play from Kiffin's Vols tnat stands out in my mind.
quote:

So now he's gonna get coached up.

29 and 5 vs. 14 and 2.

That's Luke Stocker's catches and TDs in 2009 compared to Howard's this year. I wouldn't attribute less than half the production to simply "not beating jams". Either way, that's an area that will see a lot more production next year.



OJ weighed 237, if you don't think we threw to the TE's under McElwain/Nuss you must be smoking something. OJ showed up way underweight and it showed throughout the year.

I get the praise for Kiffin, put things in perspective.




The numbers din't lie. And you bringing up McElwain only proves my point. Brad Smelley caught 34 passes in 2011 and was our second leading receiver, and Michael Williams caught another 16. That's 50 completions to the TE-Hback in one season. I think few of us think that the TE has been as big a part of the gameplan the last two years. You can believe whatever you want about, but the numbers don't lie. His production is gona go up in 2014, and that's the only thing needed to keep in perspective.
Posted by sarc
Member since Mar 2011
9997 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:32 am to
I'm sorry, I don't buy that. Look at DGB (even though he's a WR) or Funchess like Trey mentioned. If he can't get off a jam by a DE, then you split him out where he won't have a DE jamming him. And from what I saw, OU's DE's weren't doing any jamming, they were full on speed rushing.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:38 am to
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People pretend like he wasn't in the gameplan this year. He didn't beat jams that was his fault.



But we didn't design enough for him. A guy like that needs to be isolated in space against a guy he can destroy if he can't keep from getting jammed.
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:42 am to
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Him not showing up with 250 plus of good weight on his 6'6" frame is on him.



If he would have showed up at 250 it would have been a problem. He isn't a blocking TE who is gonna run people over when he does catch it. He's basically a bigger WR. 250 his Junior year would be great, but as an 18 or 19 year old kid? I disagree.
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