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re: Why was WW2 propaganda so damn effective?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:28 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:28 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Very true, you have Feaux News running 24 hours a day to constantly feed statism to any puppet who plugs in.
Ok, since you went partisan, you've got MSNBC doing exactly the same thing for the left's puppets. That Fox has vastly more viewers doesn't change the fact that Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are less attractive liberal versions of Megyan Kelly and Shepard Smith.
Then there's the previously mentioned abomination known as twitter where anybody can put out anything and the mass media reports it as fact.
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Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:35 pm to deltaland
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I love the look of the nazi flag...dunno why but it really just looks cool and captivating.
If a space alien came to Earth today and you showed the creature the Nazi flag--without any explanation of its history--there is no doubt in my mind that the creature would say something to the effect of, "I don't know what this is, but I am quite sure that it represents the deepest, darkest and greatest of evil."
I'm quite sure of this.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:54 pm to TigerPanzer
Was at the WWII museum in NOLA a few years ago, had a section on propaganda used by both sides that used racist/stereotypical images. Imagine stuff like this today in regard to the war on terrorism.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:55 pm to JustGetItRight
I agree with the top part but see Twitter as more as a medium like the paper of the posters were. You can put anything on them, sports, movies, or even propaganda.
Sometimes when im at the gym in the cardio room ill plug in my head phones and watch and listen to a bit of fox news. I always feel like im watching something straight out of George Orwells book 1984. The constant american flag waving, hot short skirt females, distorted headlines.
Sometimes when im at the gym in the cardio room ill plug in my head phones and watch and listen to a bit of fox news. I always feel like im watching something straight out of George Orwells book 1984. The constant american flag waving, hot short skirt females, distorted headlines.
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Facts and information become distorted quickly when media outlets reports stories by using non-neutral words and descriptors that are by no means value- and judgment free. Speaking specifically of the conflicts between Israelis and Palestinians, Cohn, citing Fisk, writes that the United States’ media treatment of the Middle East region is characterized by euphemisms and misleading descriptors that convey subtle but clear messages about what Americans believe and for whom they should side. Cohn writes, “the ‘occupied territories’ are called ‘disputed territories,’ Jewish ‘settlements’ have become Jewish ‘neighborhoods,’ Arab militants are ‘terrorists’ but Israeli militants are just ‘fanatics’ or ‘extremists,’ and civilians killed by Israeli soldiers were ‘caught in the crossfire’” (25). Such reporting techniques are not unique to the American media’s coverage of events in the Middle East, though. Coverage of other countries’ and continents’ events, and our own domestic news is characterized by the same kinds of linguistic manipulations. Instead of reporting facts and trusting that comprehensive coverage of information will permit people to exercise their critical thinking and render their own judgments, the media are used to shape Americans’ opinions. Like Winston Smith, those Americans who question the “facts” or who deviate from the official interpretation of events and the opinions that should be adopted as a result are rendered suspect.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 12:59 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Every time you hear the state media label a group of warriors a bunch of terrorists for resisting imperialism then that is propaganda at its highest form.
Ever hear people bitch and moan about Western Imperialism being such meanies to the rest of the world?
Then you've met people who haven't studied world history. Congrats
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:01 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
You truly are too stupid to converse with. At first, I thought it was an elaborate act, but you really are that fried.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:20 pm to Rebelgator
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You truly are too stupid to converse with. At first, I thought it was an elaborate act, but you really are that fried.
Typical angry response when someone doesn't have anything intelligent to counter with.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:24 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Intelligence is wasted on people like you and sleeping tiger.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:28 pm to cokebottleag
That some clever narrowed spin on everything that i posted on. I simply copy pasted facts on history. I am sorry it didnt fit into your narrative of the holier than thou god sent USA. Of course i mentioned several times that all of this boiled down to the control of resources in a world where one was determined to be the economic Master instead of the economic slave. That there was nothing wrong with seeing things from this point of view. Its the propaganda that is involved with being the economic Master while pretending to be some benevolent entity that i have a problem with.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:35 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Propaganda back then was virtually all racial in subject matter. Most humans get tribalism, because it is part of our DNA. Its harder to get people to fight for vague concepts like gay marriage and abortion on demand.
That's why the military is mainly just another career path.
That's why the military is mainly just another career path.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:36 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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That some clever narrowed spin on everything that i posted on. I simply copy pasted facts on history.
First, thanks. Second, don't act all innocent, you know very well what you're doing.
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I am sorry it didnt fit into your narrative of the holier than thou god sent USA
The US has a lot of problems. Ethnic cleansing or forced colonization isn't one of them.
EDIT: I typed what I wrote above, and then had to laugh at my own statement. Figured I'd leave it up. On the flip side, we stopped doing that as a suzerain back in the 1890s, so I don't think we are all that evil now.
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economic Master instead of the economic slave
Someone studied Marx. Not that that's a bad thing. He was a great economist, just shite for political theory.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:39 pm to cokebottleag
He studied Marx and then was all like, "this is the best thing ever." Like every other 19 year old want to be communist enjoying the spoils of capitalism. Marx was flawed and overblown in the grand scheme of things.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:40 pm to Numberwang
Propaganda changed it's name to Public Relations in the 50's Sigmund Freuds nephew is considered the "father of Public relations"
Edwrd Bernay
The Century of Self is a great documentary by the BBC on the huge part that propaganda PR and psychology played in the 20th century.
Edwrd Bernay
The Century of Self is a great documentary by the BBC on the huge part that propaganda PR and psychology played in the 20th century.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:41 pm to Rebelgator
Marx was a pioneer in economics, I haven't read him in a while but I agree the guy was brilliant with macro-ec.
What he didn't understand or factor in was human psychology. Maybe he willfully ignored it.
What he didn't understand or factor in was human psychology. Maybe he willfully ignored it.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:42 pm to cokebottleag
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Someone studied Marx.
No, i havent done a whole lot of studying on him. I watched a video about him though on his life. It was pretty critical of him on a few different things; about how he treated his "maid", his wife, "borrowing" of money, general lack of hygiene. Was a pretty interesting video though.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:44 pm to cokebottleag
He absolutely ignored it and his theory as a whole was flawed as a result. Designing a car that can drive itself is great, but if you can't put anything in the car what's the point?
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:44 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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No, i havent done a whole lot of studying on him. I watched a video about him though and his life. It was pretty critical of him on a few different things; about how he treated his "maid", his wife, "borrowing" of money, general lack of hygiene. Was a pretty interesting video though.
Oh.
Well you should.
EDIT: This basically sums up what's wrong with education today. Everyone should have to read Das Kapital or at least the Manifesto. Followed by a good dose of Adam Smith.
Jesus, man. This is like the caricature of American education today. "I didn't read any of Marx's work, but I did see a movie about him."
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:45 pm to cokebottleag
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On the flip side, we stopped doing that as a suzerain back in the 1890s, so I don't think we are all that evil now.
Sounds like its time for me to make another thread. I will do one on this soon. Thanks for the idea.
Posted on 1/29/15 at 1:49 pm to crispyUGA
Hell, we are just as bad when we want something...
Posted on 1/29/15 at 2:12 pm to cokebottleag
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Marx was a pioneer in economics... What he didn't understand or factor in was human psychology. Maybe he willfully ignored it.
I've read the Manifesto cover to cover a couple of times. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I was a bleeding heart social democrat when I was 17 - 21 and considered myself an absolute communist for the last year or two of that period. Philosophy major. Born analytic. Always have questioned and challenged everything. Can't help it. Thank God I kept questing for truth and "grew up" as I would have to put it. But this isn't about me...
I think Marx was well aware of the psychological limitations on his dream. Case in point: Before I ever read his book (OK, long pamphlet) I had decided that the USSR had soiled his dream with all its militaria and state police and censorship and isolationism. That all that "nazi" stuff had to be in direct conflict with Marx's actual "people first!" dream. Nope. It's all in the Manifesto. Marx knew in 1848 that human nature would be inherently opposed to communism. In the book he informs us that we will HAVE to have strong military and state police. That threre will have to be cruel censorship. He postulates that communism will never succeed until the entire world is one communist state and that, in the mean time, those pioneer nations praciticing his philosophy will have to practice a very paranoid isolationism.
What he's telling us is that he realizes that personal greed is a part of human nature, that it's in the genes. He believes that communism will benefit the overall human condition, but he doesn't pretend that it is some fore-ordained realization of our intended nature. On the contrary. He accepts that the equality of communism is in direct conflict with our intended nature. He instructs future communist states to kick arse hard and often in order to subdue and destroy its ardent capitalists. Those among us who can't help but wheel and deal in order to make an extra nickel now and again would have to die. And that this campaign against them must ultimately endure, perhaps forever.
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Now what he DID perhaps fail to recognize re human psychology is this: After the spirit of the revolution subsides no one is going to want to be a brain surgeon for the same financial compensation as gets the night watchman. And this, in my opinion, is an albeit simplified but nonetheless adequte summation of the inherent fallacy of the Marxist dream.
This post was edited on 1/29/15 at 2:19 pm
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