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re: Were the Confederates terrorists?
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:45 pm to Sancho Panza
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:45 pm to Sancho Panza
The U.S. Constitution is very specific as to Treason.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:49 pm to BowlJackson
These are domestic terrorists.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:00 pm to Sancho Panza
How was what the CSA did, not "levying war"?
I'd love to read that SCOTUS opinion. Do you have a link? I didn't see if right off the bat. I'm I SC opinion junky.
I'd love to read that SCOTUS opinion. Do you have a link? I didn't see if right off the bat. I'm I SC opinion junky.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:13 pm to SEC. 593
CSA has to explain nothing, The God Damn Yankees actually fought the illegal war. To make their War of Aggresion "legal" they had to make believe the States had not seceded, that The States were not in rebellion, but that there were rebels within loyal States and the accursed Yankee mercenary army was liberating the poor souls of The South.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:22 pm to SEC. 593
The only thing I've gathered from this thread is that Luke Skywalker and the entire Rebel Alliance were terrorists.
Guess they left that part out of the history books.
Guess they left that part out of the history books.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:24 pm to Tropic Lightning
Then those States who couldn't leave, had to be re-admitted.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:31 pm to SEC. 593
They weren't levying war on the States; Abe Lincoln was.
Not from my iPhone, LoL.
Might have misspoken, think not SC...
iIrc, there was a letter from the Chief Justice to President Johnson...
No promises, but I'll see if I can find it later.
My children have taken over all my PCs.
Not from my iPhone, LoL.
Might have misspoken, think not SC...
iIrc, there was a letter from the Chief Justice to President Johnson...
No promises, but I'll see if I can find it later.
My children have taken over all my PCs.
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:35 pm to Sancho Panza
-What is a traitor anyway? Would you be loyal to your country before your actual home?
-What would you do if the south or even just your home state seceded today?
-Would you stay home and be loyal to where you live or would you move away and remain loyal to somebody you don't know?
-How do you know who you are betraying and who you are being loyal to?
-Were Colonial Americans traitors because rebelled instead of being loyal to rulers 3,500 miles across the ocean?
-Are Texas and California traitors because they were originally a part of Mexico and seceded into independent republics before joining the U.S.?
-Should Texas and Cali start being loyal and go back to Mexico?
-If that happened would they be betraying their current country in the U.S. or being loyal to their original country in Mexico?
-What would you do if the south or even just your home state seceded today?
-Would you stay home and be loyal to where you live or would you move away and remain loyal to somebody you don't know?
-How do you know who you are betraying and who you are being loyal to?
-Were Colonial Americans traitors because rebelled instead of being loyal to rulers 3,500 miles across the ocean?
-Are Texas and California traitors because they were originally a part of Mexico and seceded into independent republics before joining the U.S.?
-Should Texas and Cali start being loyal and go back to Mexico?
-If that happened would they be betraying their current country in the U.S. or being loyal to their original country in Mexico?
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:44 pm to Sancho Panza
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They weren't levying war on the States; Abe Lincoln was
This is true. The southern states resolved to peacefully, quietly, and legally secede from the U.S.A. and form their own Confederate States of America.
Lincoln and the northern states responded by deciding to aggressively and violently force the southern states to stay a part of the U.S.A. by waging a war that was technically illegal and violated the Constitution itself. In the modern post world wars era the invasion of the legally independent C.S.A. by Lincoln and the north would be considered an international war crime.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:46 pm to HempHead
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There is nothing about the Confederate tactics that would deserve the label 'terrorist'.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:47 pm to HempHead
quote:Victory
What's the difference?
I wonder if Brits look at the American flag with as much disdain as others do for the Confederate flag
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:11 pm to Tropic Lightning
Texas v. White might beg to differ.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:15 pm to AA7
I didn't say anyone was a terrorist. Not that acts of "terror" as we would describe them today, didn't occur by both sides.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:17 pm to BowlJackson
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he southern states resolved to peacefully, quietly, and legally secede from the U.S.A. and form their own Confederate States of America.
Again, there was/ is no legal means to secede.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:27 pm to BowlJackson
Frank Matthews is a fricking idiot who has done zero homework on that war or the reasons for it. frick him.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:40 pm to Robert Goulet
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I agree. If there is some systemic issue still in play from the past that needs to be fixed, then it should be fixed. But yeah, none of that shite matters in the grand scheme of things. I often think that we are too nice as a country. We still feel bad for native americans who have proven for awhile now that what we did was the "right" thing to move this country forward. We focus on the wrong shite.
Yessir, any country at any point would have done the same thing, if not worse, but none better.
It was just how the world worked in those days.
Fixing current problems I can agree with, apologizing for things that are a century or two away is just too extensive.
In the end, terminology like this is simply worthless. Let's just move on and worry about other things.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:58 pm to BowlJackson
No, confederates had an organized army and actually fought on the battlefield.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:05 pm to SEC. 593
Never decided by trial.
There was/is no legal means to prevent secession. President Buchanan stated so at the time.
If the Colonies had the right to declare independence, then the States could secede.
In fact they all left the Perpetual Union of the Articles of Confederation to adopt the U.S. Constitution; which was in force as soon as 11 ratified, with the last 2 outside the union prior to their ratification.
There was/is no legal means to prevent secession. President Buchanan stated so at the time.
If the Colonies had the right to declare independence, then the States could secede.
In fact they all left the Perpetual Union of the Articles of Confederation to adopt the U.S. Constitution; which was in force as soon as 11 ratified, with the last 2 outside the union prior to their ratification.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:21 pm to Sancho Panza
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Never decided by trial.
It was decided by Texas v. White.
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There was/is no legal means to prevent secession. President Buchanan stated so at the time.
If the Colonies had the right to declare independence, then the States could secede.
In fact they all left the Perpetual Union of the Articles of Confederation to adopt the U.S. Constitution; which was in force as soon as 11 ratified, with the last 2 outside the union prior to their ratification.
Buchanan's opinion is just that, and holds no weight as to the law.
There is no constitutional mechanism for a State to secede.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:36 pm to SEC. 593
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