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re: True of False? (ISIS thread)
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:24 pm to Hardy_Har
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:24 pm to Hardy_Har
The rise of ISIS has played so conveniently into Iran/Assad's hands it's almost suspicious. This was their plan all along. Very early, before the situation in Syria had devolved into actual violence, Assad went around arresting and assassinating the moderates that opposed him. The strategy worked perfectly as now all that's left is a bunch of crazy Jihadis and slightly less crazy Jihadis. He gets to play the role of terror fighter. Daesh is exactly what they wanted and explains why Assad/Iran went almost three years without seriously attacking them.
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:26 pm to mizzoukills
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Posted on 4/21/15 at 4:46 pm to mizzoukills
this is hipgnosis level shite man, where's your A game lately?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 5:10 pm to mizzoukills
A) You're trolling, but I like it, I don't care, I'll give you the bite you want.
B) Not only is it true in a direct sense, it's irrefutable in an instigated indirect sense.
The general understanding of all things is off due to a lack of foundational knowledge of certain things -- with a tiny effort it would be incredibly easy to see that ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/UK/Saudi creation. Easy in terms of finding evidence, hard in terms of accepting a new reality.
Individual issues -- like ISIS, or the Paris shooting, or the political dichotomy in this country or whatever are so difficult for people to see the truth on when the scope is just on one issue. When you're able to reshape your worldview with new, painful truths about reality, then it becomes a lot easier to see and it becomes one big ball of wax, making each individual issue connected to the larger understanding of what's going on.
B) Not only is it true in a direct sense, it's irrefutable in an instigated indirect sense.
The general understanding of all things is off due to a lack of foundational knowledge of certain things -- with a tiny effort it would be incredibly easy to see that ISIS is a CIA/Mossad/UK/Saudi creation. Easy in terms of finding evidence, hard in terms of accepting a new reality.
Individual issues -- like ISIS, or the Paris shooting, or the political dichotomy in this country or whatever are so difficult for people to see the truth on when the scope is just on one issue. When you're able to reshape your worldview with new, painful truths about reality, then it becomes a lot easier to see and it becomes one big ball of wax, making each individual issue connected to the larger understanding of what's going on.
This post was edited on 4/21/15 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/21/15 at 6:12 pm to mizzoukills
ISIS isn't really a threat. Well not to us they are. Look at Japan in WW2. We deemed them a threat and nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You think they wouldn't nuke the middle east in a quick second?
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Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq. Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it - eastern Iraq - the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq. The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families - it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right
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We're always going to have to be involved [in the Middle East]. Maybe it's part of our national character, you know we like to have these problems nice and neatly wrapped up, put a ribbon around it. You deploy a force, you win the war and the problem goes away. But it doesn't work that way in the Middle East. It never has, and isn't likely to in my lifetime.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:06 pm to mizzoukills
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The United States created ISIS as a boogeyman to scare Americans into giving up more freedoms in the name of "national security".
Time to put down the crack pipe.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:29 pm to MercerBears
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not obama fan but there real and no joke and Isis needa be hanged w a long dryrot rope
First, this hurt to read. Second, wouldn't a dry rot rope break and thus not work?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 10:45 pm to Cheese Grits
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Killz is getting his Sleepy Tiger freak on but I do tend to agree with him in that we feed fear in the US to eradicate and undermine freedoms granted by our founding fathers. Would I go so far as to label it a conspiracy, probably not, but most things viewed as conspiracy driven are just policies from an arrogant and out of touch leadership who are sublimating their own fears on the general public.
What laws are being written that erode our freedoms due to ISIS? Really?
ISIS isn't nearly the danger to our freedoms as Lena Dunham and the rape-culture crowd that want to throw every man on the sex-offender registry if he so much as looks at a woman. Social change and laws are being wrought all the time by those loonies, and they are OVER HERE. Then there are the tree hugging wack jobs who are pushing actively for laws to be written that outlaw coal, oil, and nuclear power so that I have to pay 10 times what I do now for energy, because I have to be forced into poverty to save the planet. No, THOSE are the boogeymen. THOSE are the terror groups that are conspiring to end our way of life as we know it and oppress us. THEY are the knife in the dark, the tyrants among us. They are already inside, they are teaching your children to be just like them, they are infesting the schools, the colleges, the media. They print your paper, they write your movie script, they teach your child that men are evil and that there is no injustice too great that can be put upon you to further their cause.
They have a religion, and their high priests are damning you for not conforming, their sacrament is wealth redistribution on their order, their holy book is Silent Spring, their saints demand your freedoms taken because they don't create a 'safe space', their redemption is to see the United States taught a lesson and brought low, because then they as Americans can finally feel salvation and atonement.
They, are the boogeymen. ISIS is a sideshow.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 7:46 am to cokebottleag
ISIS is fake. They're not a threat. But there are consequences of their fakery.
The beheadings, Paris ect. Faked events.
I'm sure there is realness to some of the things that happen day-day.
But the big things, the newsworthy things they do are fake -- created for our news by the CIA.
The problem with is when they decide to fake big things there are consequences of those events on our freedoms and lifestyle. (Like 911).
The beheadings, Paris ect. Faked events.
I'm sure there is realness to some of the things that happen day-day.
But the big things, the newsworthy things they do are fake -- created for our news by the CIA.
The problem with is when they decide to fake big things there are consequences of those events on our freedoms and lifestyle. (Like 911).
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 7:50 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 8:48 am to cokebottleag
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ISIS isn't nearly the danger to our freedoms as Lena Dunham and the rape-culture crowd that want to throw every man on the sex-offender registry if he so much as looks at a woman. Social change and laws are being wrought all the time by those loonies, and they are OVER HERE. Then there are the tree hugging wack jobs who are pushing actively for laws to be written that outlaw coal, oil, and nuclear power so that I have to pay 10 times what I do now for energy, because I have to be forced into poverty to save the planet. No, THOSE are the boogeymen. THOSE are the terror groups that are conspiring to end our way of life as we know it and oppress us. THEY are the knife in the dark, the tyrants among us. They are already inside, they are teaching your children to be just like them, they are infesting the schools, the colleges, the media. They print your paper, they write your movie script, they teach your child that men are evil and that there is no injustice too great that can be put upon you to further their cause.
I half agree, and half don't with this. ISIS isn't near the threat that alot perceive it to be. That is correct. It's no CIA conspiracy, but it isn't THAT big of an issue to be concerned with unless you live in the Middle East.
You are correct that there are radicals in America, but they are not confined to one side or the other. Social issues are complex, and will take centuries to overcome and change. As for the energy statement, it is a known fact that there is a finite amount of coal and oil in our planet. It is also known that coal and oil, when burned, create a negative for our atmosphere and planet. Combine the two, and it makes perfect sense to research various sources of energy that are not finite (wind, solar, etc). Its not "trying to make you poor" or "lose your job," It is simply the smart thing to do. Because eventually, the coal and oil will run out, and we had better have an alternative source available.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:21 am to 5thTiger
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we had better have an alternative source available.
We already do. It's called Nuclear. The next step is figuring out how to do hydrogen fuel cells in cars without the need to store tanks of hydrogen in the car.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:27 am to Duke
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It's called Nuclear
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:28 am to Duke
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We already do. It's called Nuclear. The next step is figuring out how to do hydrogen fuel cells in cars without the need to store tanks of hydrogen in the car.
I'm really hoping that Nuclear scientists can figure out the fusion process, without destroying us of course. Fission is efficient, but creates a lot of toxic waste, and is still pretty dangerous. Nuclear waste must be dealt with in a safe way.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:42 am to Duke
Alcohol used to be seen as a good fuel source.
But it was easily decentrizesd -- making it impossible to monopolize.
And the first Model T was built with and to run on hemp.
There have always been alternatives, all better than nuclear, but the powers that be pushes us into and have kept us in the current petro paradigm.
But it was easily decentrizesd -- making it impossible to monopolize.
And the first Model T was built with and to run on hemp.
There have always been alternatives, all better than nuclear, but the powers that be pushes us into and have kept us in the current petro paradigm.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:00 pm to hipgnosis
That's too simplistic, even for you.
If we converted every single ear of corn grown in the US to ethanol, it wouldn't supply 1/4th of our domestic energy needs for gasoline (to say nothing of diesel). It would drive up food costs (as we've readily seen since 2006ish. But those are mere details.
If we converted every single ear of corn grown in the US to ethanol, it wouldn't supply 1/4th of our domestic energy needs for gasoline (to say nothing of diesel). It would drive up food costs (as we've readily seen since 2006ish. But those are mere details.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:19 pm to the808bass
Killz starts thread on SECROT.
Thread moved by admins to Poliboard.
Killz banned for "trolling Poliboard."
Thread moved back to SECROT.
Admins profit.
Thread moved by admins to Poliboard.
Killz banned for "trolling Poliboard."
Thread moved back to SECROT.
Admins profit.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:21 pm to cokebottleag
quote:Wrong question.
What laws are being written that erode our freedoms due to ISIS? Really?
The question is, how far has the creation of ISIS been able to herd the sheople (mainly through fear) so that FUTURE laws, that erode our freedoms, are perceived as acceptable?
quote:ISIS is no different than the boogeymen you describe. All are used to herd the sheople for control, profit and power.
ISIS isn't nearly the danger to our freedoms as Lena Dunham and the rape-culture crowd that want to throw every man on the sex-offender registry if he so much as looks at a woman. Social change and laws are being wrought all the time by those loonies, and they are OVER HERE. Then there are the tree hugging wack jobs who are pushing actively for laws to be written that outlaw coal, oil, and nuclear power so that I have to pay 10 times what I do now for energy, because I have to be forced into poverty to save the planet. No, THOSE are the boogeymen. THOSE are the terror groups that are conspiring to end our way of life as we know it and oppress us. THEY are the knife in the dark, the tyrants among us. They are already inside, they are teaching your children to be just like them, they are infesting the schools, the colleges, the media. They print your paper, they write your movie script, they teach your child that men are evil and that there is no injustice too great that can be put upon you to further their cause.
They have a religion, and their high priests are damning you for not conforming, their sacrament is wealth redistribution on their order, their holy book is Silent Spring, their saints demand your freedoms taken because they don't create a 'safe space', their redemption is to see the United States taught a lesson and brought low, because then they as Americans can finally feel salvation and atonement.
They, are the boogeymen. ISIS is a sideshow.
These boogeymen you describe wouldn't have the capability to influence a gnat without the full support and backing of those huge and powerful entities that profit from it, which I call (for a lack of a better term) the elite.
They know that as long as they keep us in a state of fear and dependence, while dividing us to keep us fighting amongst ourselves rather than banning together to form a power of our own, they will continue to prosper unabated.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:42 pm to the808bass
You're assuming incorrectly if you think it would come from corn, which isn't a dense fuel.
It's telling that you'd assume that, and even more telling that you'd think so monointellectuall on the matter.
It's telling that you'd assume that, and even more telling that you'd think so monointellectuall on the matter.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:43 pm to the808bass
You're assuming incorrectly if you think it would come from corn, which isn't a dense fuel.
It's telling that you'd assume that, and even more telling that you'd think so monointellectually on the matter.
It's telling that you'd assume that, and even more telling that you'd think so monointellectually on the matter.
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