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re: This is why I just can't believe we're only here by chance
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:07 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:07 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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So lots of cousin humping and inbreeding is how we've arrived to this point.
It would seem there may have been some of that going on,
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Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:10 pm to Stacked
Klarvin will tell you that inbreeding is perfectly normal, perfectly natural with no genetic repercussions.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:13 pm to Stacked
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don't let me drive you nuts, you're good people.
You, too.
I was just looking for a thread to enjoy until I get sleepy.
I'm a fan of Bertrand Russell who said: "The method of 'postulating' what we want has many advantages; they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil."
If we start a postulation with what we want, we're likely to steer ourselves to it.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:16 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Klarvin will tell you that inbreeding is perfectly normal, perfectly natural with no genetic repercussions.
Well, 74,000 years ago there were only 8,000-10,000 humans on planet earth. Now there are 7.3 billion. So, yes, there has been a lot of cousin humping in the family.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:17 pm to Kentucker
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Now there are 7.3 billion. So, yes, there has been a lot of cousin humping in the family.
That explains Chelsea Clinton
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Explains a lot of ugly people.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:21 pm to Stacked
In my family its a lot more personal. I had a birth defect that could have killed me back in 1961 when i was born. One month old, surgeons fixed my digestive tract issue. I could have easily died.
If so, our 4 kids would not have been born. My 2 grandsons would not have been born. All are awesome people as is my bride of 32 years.
All I can think of is God has a reason for everything.
If so, our 4 kids would not have been born. My 2 grandsons would not have been born. All are awesome people as is my bride of 32 years.
All I can think of is God has a reason for everything.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 11:30 pm to Stacked
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This is why I just can't believe we're only here by chance
So much more that suggests you are right.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:38 am to Cmlsu5618
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Nothing spiritual has yet to show itself in my life. I've looked for it since I was a child.
eat some acid
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:29 am to Kentucker
I'm a Christian
but you clearly don't understand how statistics work.
The way a system with as many complex variables such as genetics works (or birth) is that there is a 100% chance that an outcome will occur (barring extinction) that has astronomical odds of NOT happening.
in other words, if you weren't born there is a 100% chance that someone would be, and the more people that exist the larger these seemingly impossible odds occur.
or. to think about it another way, no team right now has a greater % chance than maybe 5% to win the national championship, but SOMEONE will. Does that mean God cares about football? what about leaves on a tree?
this argument for agnostics or Christians really bothers me because it's not logical at all.
but you clearly don't understand how statistics work.
The way a system with as many complex variables such as genetics works (or birth) is that there is a 100% chance that an outcome will occur (barring extinction) that has astronomical odds of NOT happening.
in other words, if you weren't born there is a 100% chance that someone would be, and the more people that exist the larger these seemingly impossible odds occur.
or. to think about it another way, no team right now has a greater % chance than maybe 5% to win the national championship, but SOMEONE will. Does that mean God cares about football? what about leaves on a tree?
this argument for agnostics or Christians really bothers me because it's not logical at all.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:53 am to Stacked
I really don't get your point, unless you think we(humans) are the epitome of all possibilities. I don't believe that is the case.
It seems to me that humans get weaker as time goes along. We need more to protect ourselves, just to feel more comfortable in the world we live in.
Electronic communication is really replacing real social lives, and we are losing real human(animal) contact with each other.
Here by chance? probably just a brief experiment that has already failed.
It seems to me that humans get weaker as time goes along. We need more to protect ourselves, just to feel more comfortable in the world we live in.
Electronic communication is really replacing real social lives, and we are losing real human(animal) contact with each other.
Here by chance? probably just a brief experiment that has already failed.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:58 am to auggie
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I really don't get your point, unless you think we(humans) are the epitome of all possibilities. I don't believe that is the case.
It seems to me that humans get weaker as time goes along. We need more to protect ourselves, just to feel more comfortable in the world we live in.
Electronic communication is really replacing real social lives, and we are losing real human(animal) contact with each other.
Here by chance? probably just a brief experiment that has already failed.
because we didn't develop intelligence to create all these things that make us the apex predator for the entire planet........
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:28 am to Ishmael
Apex predators? I think you meant "Apex Farmers" or "Apex Grocers"not the same thing,I would guarantee you,only 10% of the people in the world today, have ever eaten meat that they actually killed themselves, or a vegetable that they grew, or a fish that they caught.
And we continue to distance ourselves from the real natural world, I mean, I am using a computer to talk here right now, and I love having it,I can leave it alone though.
My worry, is that I am increasingly seeing people that can't separate from it, can't have normal conversations. Can't function without that phone in their hand.
That disconnect will be the fall of humanity IMO.
And we continue to distance ourselves from the real natural world, I mean, I am using a computer to talk here right now, and I love having it,I can leave it alone though.
My worry, is that I am increasingly seeing people that can't separate from it, can't have normal conversations. Can't function without that phone in their hand.
That disconnect will be the fall of humanity IMO.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:38 am to auggie
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Apex predators? I think you meant "Apex Farmers" or "Apex Grocers"not the same thing,I would guarantee you,only 10% of the people in the world today, have ever eaten meat that they actually killed themselves, or a vegetable that they grew, or a fish that they caught.
And we continue to distance ourselves from the real natural world, I mean, I am using a computer to talk here right now, and I love having it,I can leave it alone though.
My worry, is that I am increasingly seeing people that can't separate from it, can't have normal conversations. Can't function without that phone in their hand.
That disconnect will be the fall of humanity IMO
you are very obviously not actually educated about anything that you're talking about.
I don't mean that as an insult or a troll. I mean literally, go do some reading.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 2:46 am to Ishmael
uh, and read something written by whom? Somebody that has already lived through this situation before?
That person doesn't exist.
That person doesn't exist.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 3:42 am to Stacked
Chance and natural selection aren't the same thing.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:01 am to JombieZombie
Pulease. It's chance.
Give you an example. My parents, like many married people, knew how many children they planned to have and then get snipped. They wanted three, but after my brother and sister, my mom had two miscarriages. Then I came along. That isn't natural selection. That's either complete chance or complete purpose. And 500 years from now, my great (x 15) grandchildren's being alive because of it and many billions of factors just like the miscarriages that gave them existence through my eventual birth tells me it's either chance or purpose. I don't know who controls either of those two things but either way this isn't a natural selection matter.
Give you an example. My parents, like many married people, knew how many children they planned to have and then get snipped. They wanted three, but after my brother and sister, my mom had two miscarriages. Then I came along. That isn't natural selection. That's either complete chance or complete purpose. And 500 years from now, my great (x 15) grandchildren's being alive because of it and many billions of factors just like the miscarriages that gave them existence through my eventual birth tells me it's either chance or purpose. I don't know who controls either of those two things but either way this isn't a natural selection matter.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:08 am to Stacked
I'm not saying I'm any more right than a green stop sign, just that this is how I side when trying to take all of this information in.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:31 am to Stacked
Probability of every one of your ancestors reproducing successfully: 1 in 1045,000
That means in every step of your lineage, the probability of the right sperm meeting the right egg such that the exact right ancestor would be created that would end up creating you is one in 1200 trillion, which we’ll round down to 1000 trillion, or one quadrillion.
So now we must account for that for 150,000 generations by raising 400 quadrillion to the 150,000th power:
[4x1017]150,000 ˜ 102,640,000
That’s a ten followed by 2,640,000 zeroes, which would fill 11 volumes of a book the size of The Tao of Dating with zeroes.
To get the final answer, technically we need to multiply that by the 1045,000 , 2000 and 20,000 up there, but those numbers are so shrimpy in comparison that it almost doesn’t matter. For the sake of completeness:
(102,640,000)(1045,000)(2000)(20,000) = 4x 102,685,007 ˜ 102,685,000
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That means in every step of your lineage, the probability of the right sperm meeting the right egg such that the exact right ancestor would be created that would end up creating you is one in 1200 trillion, which we’ll round down to 1000 trillion, or one quadrillion.
So now we must account for that for 150,000 generations by raising 400 quadrillion to the 150,000th power:
[4x1017]150,000 ˜ 102,640,000
That’s a ten followed by 2,640,000 zeroes, which would fill 11 volumes of a book the size of The Tao of Dating with zeroes.
To get the final answer, technically we need to multiply that by the 1045,000 , 2000 and 20,000 up there, but those numbers are so shrimpy in comparison that it almost doesn’t matter. For the sake of completeness:
(102,640,000)(1045,000)(2000)(20,000) = 4x 102,685,007 ˜ 102,685,000
LINK
Posted on 10/28/14 at 7:48 am to Stacked
The chances of your individual self coming into existence were astronomically small, but so were the chances of billions of other individuals. You get enough highly unlikely events together and suddenly the chances of something happening become likely.
Kind of like Earth - everything is just so in our solar system that it almost appears too good to just be random, but if you look at the size of the universe, there were billions upon billions of chances for a solar system like ours to come into existence.
Kind of like Earth - everything is just so in our solar system that it almost appears too good to just be random, but if you look at the size of the universe, there were billions upon billions of chances for a solar system like ours to come into existence.
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