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re: The main reason I love Trump more today than a few weeks ago
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:36 pm to cas4t
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:36 pm to cas4t
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My argument has been this, and I'll try to word differently- unless those states are evenly split among the 2 parties, the electoral college is irrelevant. That's what I was trying to say when I said that it only matters in swing states (the open to corruption piece). Not only are they already required by state law to vote according to the state's popular vote, but everyone already know which way they will fall before the election starts. That's of course unless they are split among the 2 parties, then they are basically a swing state, and we've come full circle to my previous post. We already have a system where the middle of nowhere states can technically be ignored, and at the end of the day, swing states and rogue electors decide the president of the US. That's crazy to me. What was, arguably, orginanlly intended to give the little guy a say has now become, give the swing state electors far too much power.
Also, I think we are sold a false meme about swing states. We have a lot of recency bias with swing states. Swing states change. What were the swing states this time? The "Blue Wall". If the federal government isn't doing a good job, new swing states pop up. The squeaky wheel gets the grease because it needs the the grease to stop squeaking. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan were the swing states this time around and for good reason. Obamacare, low wages, jobs disappearing... this was impacting people enough to where they needed to speak out, and they did. But it won't always be this way. If a political party delivers what is wanted, or at least appears to, people will become entrenched again and those areas won't be swing states any longer, and new ones that have been ignored or have had the system rigged against them will pop up and the cycle will repeat itself.
Now this isn't to say that swing states aren't a flaw in some ways. They are. As much as I have advocated for the Electoral College in this thread, and I do think it is a pretty damn good system, swing states are a thing as a result.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:02 pm to cas4t
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t to mention those EC votes for the middle-of-bumfrick states already are accounted for fairly with the senate seats, as you mentioned. It isn't coastal states fault that the Midwest states are sparsely populated. Their vote shouldn't carry more weight just because.
the more populated states carry more weight, they have more electoral votes. you seem confused.
Trump won 7 out of the top 10 most populated states, including the 2nd most populated, Texas.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:41 pm to Tillman
Surely you're being sarcastic. Go read the post I was responding to and come back. I'm pretty exhausted with typing in this thread though.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:22 pm to cas4t
i did read what you wrote. you trying to make it seem like rural swing states win the election and act like GOP doesn't win any populated states.
Democrats have the advantage in any presidnetial election because of California but you act like the system is unfair to Democrats.
Trump wins the popular vote if NY and CA are not included so you are saying that NY and CA should decide who is president even though their politics is out of touch with most of the country.
Democrats have the advantage in any presidnetial election because of California but you act like the system is unfair to Democrats.
Trump wins the popular vote if NY and CA are not included so you are saying that NY and CA should decide who is president even though their politics is out of touch with most of the country.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 6:23 pm to Tillman
I didn't say any of that
I said the EC inherently is flawed, because it is
I'm not doing this with your dumbass tonight though
I said the EC inherently is flawed, because it is
I'm not doing this with your dumbass tonight though
Posted on 2/24/17 at 6:41 pm to cas4t
the reality is you are a bitter dumb loser. your side lost the election.
you didn't get the result you want so you want to change the system.
you clearly made it seem like Trump won because of small unpopulated states. he won 7 out of 10 of the largest states.
what you are complaining about is NY and CA can't decide the election. you want the EC to match up with the popular vote.
you call me dumb but I think I am the only person on here who thought Trump was going to win the election and I was ridiculed by people like you.
you didn't get the result you want so you want to change the system.
you clearly made it seem like Trump won because of small unpopulated states. he won 7 out of 10 of the largest states.
what you are complaining about is NY and CA can't decide the election. you want the EC to match up with the popular vote.
you call me dumb but I think I am the only person on here who thought Trump was going to win the election and I was ridiculed by people like you.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:56 pm to Tillman
quote:A vote in states like ND actually counts more than a vote in CA under the current EC.
the more populated states carry more weight, they have more electoral votes. you seem confused.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:06 pm to pvilleguru
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A vote in states like ND actually counts more than a vote in CA under the current EC.
that's not true. this is the United States, not the One Big State. you have to win the popular vote in as many states as possible and this is adjusted for population in each state.
if you feel like your vote doesn't count in a more populated state, feel free to move to a less populated one.
Again, trump won 7 out of the 10 most populated states, yet you are talking about small states as though they swung election.
your side lost the election. you lost. accept it.
Democrats win several small states, DE, VT, Hawaii, etc.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:08 pm to Tillman
quote:It actually is. It's simple math.
that's not true.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:08 pm to pvilleguru
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t actually is. It's simple math.
yes, a HIllary supporter is a math whiz.
your vote only counts at the state level, not the national level. that's the system. we have a state system. the country is going to fall apart if far leftwing states California and NY and Illinois decides every election. i would support California seceding.
how does a party that has NY and California as safe states whine about the system. it is incredible that the party ever loses the presidency. perhaps people like you should try to broaden your appeal across the country rather than spend hours whining about the system on the internet. perhaps you should not run terrible candidates like HIllary Clinton.
trump would have run an entirely different campaign if the eelection was based on popular vote nationally. he never campaigned or ran ads in NY, CA, IL and other safe blue states.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:15 pm to Tillman
ND has 3 electoral votes with a population of 739,482. 739482/3 = 246494 people/electoral vote.
CA has 55 electoral votes with a population of 38.8 million. 38.8 million/55= 705454 people/electoral vote.
Therefore, your vote counts more in ND than in CA. Simple math.
CA has 55 electoral votes with a population of 38.8 million. 38.8 million/55= 705454 people/electoral vote.
Therefore, your vote counts more in ND than in CA. Simple math.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:17 pm to pvilleguru
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ore, your vote counts more in ND than in CA. Simple math.
California gets a ton more electoral votes than ND, and ND and other small states didn't swing the election.
your witch lost 7 out of the 10 largest states.
nobody forces anybody to live in more populated state. your vote only counts to making sure your candidate receives the electoral votes for that state. that's the system.
if you don't like a state system, move to a country that doesn't have states.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:20 pm to Tillman
quote:As they should, but going by population, they should probably have even more.
California gets a ton more electoral votes than ND,
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:22 pm to pvilleguru
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As they should, but going by population, they should probably have even more.
there will be no United States if a national popular vote system was implemented. it would fall apart.
i don't think many people would have a problem with CA leaving the US.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:22 pm to Tillman
quote:You make it seem like that's such an easy thing for people.
if you don't like a state system, move to a country that doesn't have states.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:23 pm to Tillman
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it would fall apart.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:24 pm to pvilleguru
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u make it seem like that's such an easy thing for people.
you act like you are the smartest person in the world. why can't you move away? surely you have the money. you are saying your vote doesn't count but you want to stay here? lol
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:26 pm to Tillman
quote:I probably could, but it costs a lot of money to move to a comparable country and a lot of people can't afford it.
why can't you move away?
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:26 pm to pvilleguru
who cares abou tother people, most people aren't complaining about it. you are. i guess the good thing is you aren't complaining about the Russians stealing it anymore. lol
i wish there was a way to have a country that was all conservative people. liberal malcontents like you need to be segregated from the rest of society
i wish there was a way to have a country that was all conservative people. liberal malcontents like you need to be segregated from the rest of society
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:29 pm to Tillman
quote:A lot of people are.
most people aren't complaining about it.
quote:Please show me where I said that.
i guess the good thing is you aren't complaining about the Russians stealing it anymore.
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