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re: The cost of Obamacare... supporters of it.. please feel free to chime in
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:55 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:55 am to Roger Klarvin
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And the reason for that is that everyone with a basic grasp of economics really understood what this would do before it was actually implemented.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:56 am to Alahunter
Of all the liberal doctors and fellow med students I know, I haven't met one yet who agrees with it or thinks it beneficial. Some of these are "republicans are the devil" types who still realize it's a cluster.
But, as usual, the American public didn't listen to us on this issue anymore than they do when we tell them to exercise and lose weight.
But, as usual, the American public didn't listen to us on this issue anymore than they do when we tell them to exercise and lose weight.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm curious (genuinely) if anyone on here is a small business owner with employees that can relate what has happened to their insurance costs.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
I have 2 doctors in my family, and both begrudgingly support it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:13 pm to The Spleen
Actually most of the doctors I know support it to so anecdotal evidence is what it is
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:16 pm to The Spleen
Most doctors support the IDEA of it, but are against the manner in which it is being implemented.
Doctors realize that treating more patients is always a good goal, but not at the expense of the quality of care.
Doctors realize that treating more patients is always a good goal, but not at the expense of the quality of care.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
Most of the Doctors I know just support it, but that is just anecdotal i agree. If you have independent nonsubjective data otherwise let's take a look.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:20 pm to Alahunter
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my insurance coverage I have had the previous 4 yrs was cancelled, because I chose not to have maternity or pediatric
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Under the new plan, that was forced because of Obamacare
Can't have it both ways. If you chose not to pay for something and got cancelled then Obamacare wasn't "forced" on you.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:22 pm to MIZ_COU
I just probably know more doctors than most because I work in the field so its a larger sample size.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
So it's anecdotal.
What would you say the conservative, moderate, liberal breakdown is (and what would you be basing this on)?
What would you say the conservative, moderate, liberal breakdown is (and what would you be basing this on)?
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:32 pm to MIZ_COU
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Actually most of the doctors I know support it to so anecdotal evidence is what it is
I've had conversations with literally hundreds of doctors on the subject. My anecdotal experience is that it's between 66-33 against to 75-25 against.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:34 pm to the808bass
quote:I'm not saying I don't believe you but what do you do that you would have conversations with hundreds doctors about the ACA?
I've had conversations with literally hundreds of doctors
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Most doctors support the IDEA of it, but are against the manner in which it is being implemented.
Yeah that's why I said begrudgingly. Both doctors in my family say they'll have to change the way they do things and aren't thrilled with it, but then they both say medical care has been rapidly changing for years. They both employ nurse practitioners that do a lot of their visits, as well as physician's assistants.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:37 pm to MIZ_COU
I sell healthcare stuff.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:40 pm to the808bass
To doctors?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:41 pm to the808bass
None of those links you posted prove that the economy would skyrocket if only Obamacare was repealed.
The economy went to shite in 2008 and had nothing to do with healthcare.
The economy went to shite in 2008 and had nothing to do with healthcare.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:43 pm to The Spleen
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they'll have to change the way they do things and aren't thrilled with it
To the betterment of them or their patients? What will they have to do differently? Does it harm their performance or ability to provide or does it harm their earnings or lessen their income?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:50 pm to MIZ_COU
I go to med school in Texas so the political ideologies are definitely skewed. I'd say probably four out of every five doctors I know is at least a fiscal conservative if not full blown straight ticket republican. Docs in Texas are also much more open about their political views than in other places Ive noticed.
I can probably count on one hand the number of doctors Ive heard actually provide reasons for why they support it. Even the known liberals usually speak against it.
I can probably count on one hand the number of doctors Ive heard actually provide reasons for why they support it. Even the known liberals usually speak against it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:51 pm to Alahunter
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To the betterment of them or their patients? What will they have to do differently? Does it harm their performance or ability to provide or does it harm their earnings or lessen their income?
Probably a little of both better and worse for patients, just depending on their individual circumstances. One is a family doc in a rural area and is pissed Alabama didn't expand Medicaid. He guesses he would see a 20-30% patient increase with it, plus actually getting paid for a lot of free services he offers to some of the poor in his area.
I think they both mainly fear even more administrative BS, but they both say that's been the trend for over a decade now. They both employ a nurse practitioner that does a lot of the routine visits. One has a physician's assistant that probably does 60% of the visits while he's dealing with administrative BS.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:56 pm to The Spleen
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One is a family doc in a rural area and is pissed Alabama didn't expand Medicaid
What are his thoughts on when the Fed pulls out of financial obligations in a couple of yrs and leaves the state holding the purse strings on the expanded Medicaid?
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actually getting paid for a lot of free services he offers to some of the poor in his area
So, personal profit is part of the reason he begrudgingly is for it?
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