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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:41 am to CatFan81
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Because most people working these jobs can absolutely afford a private plan, right?
So, any insurance that is provided and partially paid for, is a nice benefit, right?
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If an individual is paying for half of it, why shouldn't they have a say in it?
They do, by accepting to take the insurance plan, or declining the plan. Again, entitlement thinking is out of control. Nobody owes an employee anything other than a paycheck for the services they provide. Anything beyond that is a benefit from the employer and they should be able to unilaterally decide what they wish to offer. Workers have the choice to accept, decline or find a job that has what they want.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:42 am to Vols&Shaft83
Yes, I'm well aware of how they work. It's still hypocritical.
That also doesn't explain most of their products coming from China.
That also doesn't explain most of their products coming from China.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:42 am to Vols&Shaft83
I hate to fall with the conservatives here but there's something to be said for voting with your pocketbook. Those employees who need insurance to cover BC are free to try and work somewhere else. It also serves to limit the pool of employees for HL because they don't offer as many benefits.
I'm comfortable with the decision though I'm not fond of the creep of giving corporations the first amendment rights of citizens. I do however have no significant issue with the ruling though I do feel for the women effected.
I'm comfortable with the decision though I'm not fond of the creep of giving corporations the first amendment rights of citizens. I do however have no significant issue with the ruling though I do feel for the women effected.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:43 am to Alahunter
It's getting to a point that employees will likely end up paying a larger percentage of their coverage then their employers do. So what happens then? The employee still shouldn't have a say? And as said, how shitty do you have to be to deny a woman coverage if it's needed medically? Not all women on birth control are just on it to slut around like some want to portray them. I sincerely hope some who are that adamantly against it get the joy of having a SO who has to deal with something like endometriosis.
But like I said, those in support have made their bed and will get to lay in it.
But like I said, those in support have made their bed and will get to lay in it.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:43 am to Duke
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Opens up some questions for future situations. Like...what if a company holds that vaccinations are against their beliefs? Could they decide to not cover vaccines?
I would think that would be a concern. So a company owner who is a Jehovah's Witness can opt out of covering blood transfusions now?
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:43 am to Alahunter
It's a great time to be an employer right now. Horrible time to be an employee.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:43 am to Duke
Agree with all of that post.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:44 am to BluegrassBelle
My guess is that they cover Viagra though.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:45 am to UMTigerRebel
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I would think that would be a concern. So a company owner who is a Jehovah's Witness can opt out of covering blood transfusions now?
It'll certainly be interesting to see. Especially if it's a company that isn't as upfront as someone like Hobby Lobby regarding their religious practices.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:45 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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It's a great time to be an employer right now. Horrible time to be an employee
It's horrible all around. This administration has made it costly to stay in business for small business owners. The failure rate under it is astronomically high. Adding to the growing "entitlement" crowd just makes it tougher.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:46 am to Alahunter
I think more correctly it's a great time to be a large employer. Small business has it tough right along with the working stiff.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:48 am to Duke
Anecdotal: I am not noticing any difference in the job search process from now compared to my last job search (3 years ago). It still sucks out there.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:49 am to Duke
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I think more correctly it's a great time to be a large employer. Small business has it tough right along with the working stiff.
Agreed.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:49 am to Duke
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I hate to fall with the conservatives here but there's something to be said for voting with your pocketbook. Those employees who need insurance to cover BC are free to try and work somewhere else. It also serves to limit the pool of employees for HL because they don't offer as many benefits.
I'm comfortable with the decision though I'm not fond of the creep of giving corporations the first amendment rights of citizens. I do however have no significant issue with the ruling though I do feel for the women effected.
I lean towards this, though I am concerned with the possible precedent it has set. Limiting it to closely held corporations is a solid move.
I do wonder though, since insurance companie re-wrote all of their policies to be ACA compliant, are they going to go back and actually write policies that carve out not covering contraceptives? Seems it would be such a small market that would purchase them it would be cost prohibitive, at least in the immediate future.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:51 am to BluegrassBelle
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It's getting to a point that employees will likely end up paying a larger percentage of their coverage then their employers do. So what happens then? The employee still shouldn't have a say?
Again, they do by accepting the plan, declining it, finding their own or changing jobs. Insurance has always been a benefit, it's not a private employers responsibility to give entitlements.
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And as said, how shitty do you have to be to deny a woman coverage if it's needed medically?
Every hospital and every doctor has at some point likely refused a medical service that wasn't life threatening because of a nonpaying, uninsured individual. $$ makes the world go round, not just for employers, but for doctors and everyone else.
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I sincerely hope some who are that adamantly against it get the joy of having a SO who has to deal with something like endometriosis
My ex had it, getting emotional about the issue and wishing illness on someone you don't know, to make a point isn't becoming.
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But like I said, those in support have made their bed and will get to lay in it.
I chose not to vote for Obama, yet I'm stuck paying 58% more in Insurance premiums and having deduct/out of pocket expenses jump from 750/1500 to 2000/6000, because he convinced enough people that they're entitled to something at the expense of others.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:53 am to Alahunter
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Again, they do by accepting the plan, declining it, finding their own or changing jobs. Insurance has always been a benefit, it's not a private employers responsibility to give entitlements.
I agree we need to get the employer out of the health insurance equation.
But I bet you oppose a public option.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:54 am to Alahunter
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My ex had it, getting emotional about the issue and wishing illness on someone you don't know, to make a point isn't becoming.
Knowing a corporation has no problem funding Viagra or a man getting fixed while denying a potentially necessary medication for a woman isn't becoming either. Especially when it's under the guise of religious freedoms.
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I chose not to vote for Obama, yet I'm stuck paying 58% more in Insurance premiums and having deduct/out of pocket expenses jump from 750/1500 to 2000/6000, because he convinced enough people that they're entitled to something at the expense of others.
My insurance has been going up since the first Bush was in office. Obamacare may have sped up the process for some but this isn't some new issue.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:54 am to The Spleen
I support a full reversal of Obamacare, and opening state lines for competition before anything else is done. See what effect that has in driving down prices and then go from there.
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:56 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
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It's a great time to be an employer right now. Horrible time to be an employee.
For damn sure.
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