re: Sheriff David Clarke vs CNN's Don Lemon

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Would also like your opinion on these types of situations? Just curious

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Officers seemed out of line to me. I know very little about any other back story though.

There's also a video floating around of folks ganging up on and beating up an officer.

There are shitty people who wear police uniforms (like any other profession). There are also an overwhelming majority of good folks who put themselves in harm's way for the public good (that we never hear about).

I cannot in good conscience sit here and condemn American police for targeting black people when empirical evidence clearly says that's not the case. I've also found it extremely simple to avoid confrontation with LEOs over the years (and not for lack of contact with them).

I also have a problem with the fact that BLM advances only one minority agenda to a common problem, and does so based largely upon turning serial offenders who buck authority into martyrs.

I'm not down with it. Not trying to convince you one way or another, btw

so you would rather BLM be a group centered around all police injustice? I agree there are some cops that are world freaking class and they're bright people who could have gone another route if they had to...I would also bet they've had to go through people putting camera's in their face and telling them they know the law when they don't and being cursed at. It's hard dude I get it, but that's why it isn't for everyone, when you take that oath it doesn't mean for "some of the time" or when its convenient. You literally have to be the best human around you and that's a lot to ask for what they're getting paid. Sadly the police force in most areas are people who are overwhelming under qualified and usually wasn't their first choice of job. People with superior decision making skills and experience in conflict resolution wouldn't dare apply because why would you for 35-45k and getting shot at. Pay the guys what they're worth and you'll see a drastic rise in efficiency simply due to a better quality of candidates to pick from....it's night and day but it's similar to when my wife and I were searching for childcare. We were adamant on the staff having a bachelors degree but also found that those centers had to charge out of the arse to acquire and retain those employees also. You get what you pay for. As for right now I see cops pumping 12-16 bullets in people with no guns or non lethal weapons and I can't get with that, sorry. That like me telling everybody to reboot their computer when there's an issue, sometimes you gotta actually know what you're doing esp when lives are at stake.

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Where you miss me is why that's relevant conversation in regards to police brutality and social discrimination.

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It's relevant because far more blacks are killed in these scenarios than in police brutality cases by a shockingly large margin. If it were truly about black lives mattering, the inner city strife would be front and center.

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will stop white racist from committing hate crimes...elaborate please

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Crimes are crimes. You can't make the case that there's a concerted racist effort among police against black people's lives when they aren't meeting their demise at a higher rate. And then take it a step further and say that those situations were racially motivated. Makes no sense.

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If a cop gets sideways with me you're not going to get a yes sir from me and that with any person.

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Idk if you're a Christian, but there's much wisdom in the Proverbs 15 passage that says "a soft answer turneth away wrath." I suppose a secular version would be the phrase "cooler heads prevail."

Not every cop is going to be Officer Friendly. They are people too, and even the nicest person in the world has their limits. You have no idea what they're going through, so it's wise not to escalate, no matter your ethnicity. 95% of the time, that's all it takes to defuse a situation from even developing.

Even if you're in the right, what good does it do to get belligerent with an armed individual? It's just not smart. Fight improprieties through the proper channels whenever possible instead of acting in a manner that can be perceived as threatening. Just common sense.

Is it a 100% foolproof strategy? Of course not. People are imperfect. Poor decisions can be made. Bounds overstepped. You can't forestall every conceivable problem.

It's a damn sight better than the alternative, though.

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damn yall have a full house lol

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Forrealdoe

My mom has the patience of a saint.

ETA: Gotta run and stack this paper. We'll talk more later, I'm sure

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So change the violence amongst ourselves will stop the police from shooting a man in front of his 4 year old and will stop white racist from committing hate crimes...elaborate please

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Stop completely? Of course not, don't be silly. There have always been and will probably always be bad officers just like there are bad people in every other profession. Help tremendously, you better believe it.

We as a people aren't as evolved as we'd like to believe. We still have a strong tendency to break things down into very simple impressions and act on those cues.

It is an undeniable fact that young black males make up less than 10% of the population but commit roughly half of all murders in America every year. Every night on the news, the latest murder story comes on and who's the suspect? There are a myriad of factors that come together to create that criminal, but they aren't visible on that newscast.

It isn't fair to the millions and millions of young black men that like all of us are simply living their lives, but people tend to focus on the one thing that is visible about the latest murderer. It plants a seed that unfortunately gets watered in pretty much every newscast and fear and suspicion is the fruit that plant eventually bears.

If the murder rate for a black man was anywhere close to the murder rate for other ethnic groups, that fruit would wither and die on the vine.

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You will NEVER win an argument with an officer on the side of the road but if you keep your cool you can win a ton of them back at the office.

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Some people don't seem to understand that there is also a way to be respectful and protect your rights. People are so caught up in proving a point that they become incredibility disrespectful and just escalate the situation.

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The real questions are how strong is the Blue Code of Silence mind set within police departments? How strongly are the efforts of departments and gov officials to fight against this?

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The honest answer is that it depends on the department and probably more particularly the culture that leadership espouses. Departments that are led well and espouse a culture of integrity are going to have fewer problems overall and more of a willingness to do the right thing. One thing to remember is that we all support the people we work alongside and the riskier the profession, the tighter the bonds. How often do you hear of a doctor (unless he's getting paid to be an expert witness) come out and say another doctor fricked up and killed someone? Hell, in Alabama an attorney can't even run a TV ad without a disclaimer saying that they aren't implying that they're better than any other lawyer.

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police officers get off on a way higher average than your common citizen.

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They probably do, but not for the reasons many people think. Unlike the average citizen, they've got a strong understanding of the criminal justice system from top to bottom. They understand rules of evidence, constitutional rights, and all the other nuances needed to protect themselves. In many cases, they'll also usually have excellent legal representation provided through their union or FOP membership. If they get off more (and as I said, I don't have stats but they probably do), it isn't because they're cops but rather it is because they're simply a better suited defendant than the average citizen.

People of means beat charges more often than poor people for the very same reasons. Been that way since the beginning of any legal system.

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So change the violence amongst ourselves will stop the police from shooting a man in front of his 4 year old and will stop white racist from committing hate crimes...elaborate please

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I think Tbird basically answered the entire equation more eloquently. What you deem racism is really self preservation. Due to the higher level of true violent crimes committed by one ethnicity the LEOs are immediately on I heighten state of alter. It may not be right but it is the truth. Plus like he said its best to comply and deal with shite in the court than end up in a body bag because we are human and you may catch a guy on a bad day. Another way to look at is is when I was overseas at a overseeing numerous check points. Do you think I was more alter when a car clearly marked journalist with people dressed as westerns came up to it or if an unmarked car came up with people wearing hijabs? You treated both as a threat but your sphincter puckered on the latter. You like pointing out the LEOs shooting black guys but why haven't they hilihjted the LEO getting gunned down 3 or 4 weeks ago in New Orleans on a routine traffic stop (only way I know about that one is he was friends with one of my co-workers). Why haven't you pointed out that the guy in Baton Rouge did have a handgun and an extensive rap sheet? As for the senseless killing in MN, I have no idea what happened there but I guarantee if you follow the rules I laid out for my kids it wouldn't have happened unless that cop intended to kill that man in cold blood. He may have but somehow I doubt it. One last thing I can say is the follow on training for most LEOs pales in comparison to what the military goes through. I honestly believe every 4th week needs to be dedicated to follow on training (i.e. shoot/don't shoot scenarios, how to handle belligerent situations, domestic disputes along with advanced 1st aid). That would also help these situations.