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Posted on 8/7/16 at 11:43 pm to
Posted by weedGOKU666
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Posted on 8/7/16 at 11:43 pm to
I wonder what society would be like today if abortion never existed? Regardless of legality (cause there were still plenty of folks getting abortions even when it was illegal). I wonder if it'd be notably different than the way things are today?
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:04 am to
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That doesn't make sense, and you are the problem.

No idea where your intrinsic value comes from. No idea how society should be structured. Can't ascertain the motivation of your enemies.

You can't academia your way out of a sonewhat dull knife or a 7.62 X 39.


I think I'm just going to sit back and see if anybody can understand what the hell it is that you're talking about. Mmmkay?
Posted by tWildcat
Verona, KY
Member since Oct 2014
19303 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:11 am to
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JustGetItRight


Good post.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 11:16 am to
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No idea where your intrinsic value comes from. No idea how society should be structured. Can't ascertain the motivation of your enemies.



Actually the theory of evolution covers all of those questions.
Posted by TideJoe
Member since Sep 2012
939 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 7:34 pm to
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Abortion, however, is murder.


Same here. If you want to sleep with your own sex, that doesn't hurt anyone else. Killing a baby is a different story. I really don't have a problem with abortion in the case of rape, incest, or the mother's health being critical. That being said, abortion as a form of birth control blows my mind. Conceiving children is an exact science. It's really easy to not get pregnant.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:19 pm to
Roe vs. wade and as someone else said, it ain't even close.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3902 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 8:55 pm to
If I was forced to have a kid I'm clearly unprepared for, you're all suffering for impeding my would-be abortion. I'm going to teach that kid every a-hole trick in the book. He'll double park, refuse to turn right on red, smoke and throw his butts on the ground, not tip, talk loudly in generally quiet places (about disgusting private things), and have his own shitty kids way too early to perpetuate the cycle. I might even make him an ICP fan just because.

Then you'll all be saying "why can't people like that just be fricking aborted?"
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10400 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:44 pm to
Easy, Roe v. Wade.
If a armed person shoots a pregnant woman and the unborn child dies as well, he gets charged with two counts of murder.

Besides, Same sex marriage is not a marriage at all in God's eyes. It's just a civil union here on earth, which is fine for those involved. But they were just going to throw a hissy until they could hijack the word 'marriage'.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67069 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 9:50 pm to
Roe v. Wade is awful, but there are far worse decisions out there.

I would personally go with Wickard v. Fillburn, which ruled that even home grown wheat used for personal consumption somehow, in the aggregate, impacted interstate commerce, so it was within the realm of the federal government to regulate. Nearly all of our modern regulatory state came from this unconscionable decision.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 7:48 am to
Not only is none of what you typed true, but there are plenty of assholes who were wanting when they were born, and a myriad of great people who weren't wanted by their biological parents.

Remarkably poor argument from you
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8177 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:00 am to
Roe v Wade
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3902 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:18 am to
I'm-a fixin' to start reelin' 'em in!
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 8:52 am to
Dammit I was the first one, wasn't I?
Posted by americanrealism
Smoking an 8th in the multiverse
Member since Nov 2012
1515 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:06 am to
quote:

I wonder what society would be like today if abortion never existed? Regardless of legality (cause there were still plenty of folks getting abortions even when it was illegal). I wonder if it'd be notably different than the way things are today?


Population pushing 400 million. More unwanted children which means more children growing up with improper care, in turn eventually leading to more crime and funneling into a larger prison population. Welfare and entitlements taking a bigger slice of the federal pie.

We'd likely have more robust sex education in schools since girls would have no option if they become pregnant. Adoption and foster services would have to be expanded and overhauled to care for more unwanted children.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3902 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:57 am to
Posted by CockCommander
Haha
Member since Feb 2014
2897 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:19 am to
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We're the ones that are dealing with the constant devaluing of human life that has been spawned by that decision.


Human life has always been and will always be cheap.
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:25 pm to
A.

Don't care about B. I support equality under the law for all.

I support gay marriage being legal and recognition the state. By the same token, I support the right of churches, religious denominations and institutions to decide for themselves whether or not they choose to recognize it and perform ceremonies.

For example, I support the government allowing and recognizing same sex marriage. I support the Catholic Church's decision to not recognize these marriages as legitimate, and support their refusal to perform the ceremonies.

I support the Episcopal Church's decision to recognize them and perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples.

It's all about freedom of choice.

As per abortion, since a fetus has unique DNA that is different from the mother's DNA, it is by definition not an extension of her body. If it was it would have the same DNA as the rest of her body. But it doesn't, and therefore can in no way be classified as an extension of the mother's body. At least not by objective, scientific standards. There is no legitimate scientific argument supporting the claim that a fetus is part of a woman's body.

This is relevant because the entire premise and the whole foundation of the pro-abortion argument is that a woman should be able to choose how she handles issues concerning her body. This argument is invalid, because advances in genetic science have definitively determined that a fetus is in fact a completely separate, human individual from the mother in whose womb it resides.

Babies born premature often survive and go on to become healthy babies, so the argument that 'it couldn't live without her and therefore she should be able to choose to kill it' is not valid either.

It basically boils down to abortion being a lucrative industry with extremely powerful lobbyists, and a bloc of voters who are willing to kill human life (and want this to be legal and free of consequences) so that they need not bear the burden of using contraception (which is now free thanks to taxpayers anyway).

There is no valid scientific argument which supports legalized abortion unless one accepts the premise that it's okay for humans to kill other humans, and that human life has no intrinsic value (or at least not enough to justify not killing simply because one is inconvenienced).

So, if you were wondering why freedom of choice would apply toward one issue but not the other, there's your answer. No helpless people are being killed by gay couples who get married.

I hope that helps....
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:40 pm to
Well said.
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:48 pm to
Abortion is a brutal, horrific practice too. Just because the baby hasn't been born doesn't mean it won't feel the pain of being chopped up limb-by-limb while still alive, or having its scull torn open and brain ripped out (both methods are commonplace).

I wouldn't wish that on anyone, not even my worst of enemies. It's unfathomable that some people think it's okay to make someone suffer such a horrific form of torture before ultimately being killed as long as the killer has permission from the person's mother.

I will never understand the rationalizing that has to take place for someone to arrive at a position that brutally killing a person is okay and morally/ethically acceptable if the alternative is to use a condom (or birth control or other contraception).

How does the burden of having to use a condom or take a pill that someone else is paying for justify inflicting upon someone else the burden of having your life taken from you before you ever get a chance to live or experience it?

I believe that the circumstances in which killing of other humans is justified are very few and specific, and avoiding a minor and almost trivial inconvenience is not one of them.
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:50 pm to
Thanks.
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