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re: Principal forces student with Down syndrome to remove high school letter jacket

Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:06 am to
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
9999 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 12:06 am to
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Why not just give him a different letter?
What, like an R?



Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12126 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 7:53 am to
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It's a shame anyone would have a problem with this in the first place though.



Honest question for you, would you have a problem with the school doing it if it was just a random kid that didn't play sports having a varsity jacket on and the school made him take it off?

Of all the things to take a stand on, this is dumb. The truth is that there wouldn't be outrage if the kid didn't have down's. The kid is being treated like any other kid would be.

I don't do the whole feel good stories thing like most. I think it is ridiculous when a kid in a wheelchair gets in a football game and I think it is ridiculous when you put a kid with mental retardation on a limited team just because he wants to be on the team and it will make him feel good. What about the kid who doesn't get on the team because the spot was taken?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:05 am to
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It’s every student that is there on Fridays, that plays their hardest.”


There's a lot of students who played their hardest and got cut from the team. Do they get letters now?

The parent who complained about the kid wearing a letter is ridiculous and probably a POS. The parent who made the letter jacket is well-intentioned, but a little naive. The principal is dumb for how they handled it. Every principal and teacher need to realize they're always one decision away from being on the national news with millions of people with feigned outrage.
Posted by Shunface
Lafayette County Detention Center
Member since Jan 2013
4582 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:38 am to
This
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21153 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 10:48 am to
I'll never understand people who run to the media for personal problems.

I can barely watch the local news because they'll cut straight from a triple homicide to a woman who felt disrespected at a department store.
Posted by BigDropper
Member since Jul 2009
7629 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 5:17 pm to
Stolen Valor...
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:18 pm to
Should the kid's mom have bought him a varsity letter? Probably not without checking first.

Should the kid have to give up the letter? Imo no.

Should the uptight peaked in HS prick of a parent who bitched and complained about this be slapped and told to stfu? Imo yes.

I'm sorry it's a High School letter, and while I appreciate the fact that they are earned, it's a High School letter.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:36 pm to
They give the band members a letter and it's not even a sport... Fricking jelly lips!
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
Crimson Tide Fan Club
Member since Oct 2012
15574 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:42 pm to
Principle probably still wears his letter jacket
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:55 pm to
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Should the kid's mom have bought him a varsity letter? Probably not without checking first.

Should the kid have to give up the letter? Imo no.

Should the uptight peaked in HS prick of a parent who bitched and complained about this be slapped and told to stfu? Imo yes.


Good post. But you forgot about the principal who bowed to the crazy arse POS mom instead of telling her to STFU. That's what happened here. Bitch bitched; man cowered.

That's what the headline to this story should read: Bitch Bitches; Principal Cowers. The details re Down's Syndrome and a letter jacket follow.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 7:37 am to
Just terrible.

It doesn't hurt the other players/parents one but that he has a letterman jacket. But it prolly means the world to that kid. My wife is a special education teacher so this kind of stuff hits pretty hard to me. On my highschool football team we had a manager that was slightly disabled and he had Lettered in football. No one disagreed one bit. Can't even imagine complaining about him having it. It's sickening.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99035 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:06 am to
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There's a lot of students who played their hardest and got cut from the team. Do they get letters now?


Our HS gave JV/Freshman letters (a little bit smaller than a varsity one). We had a FMD class on campus with students who participated in special needs teams through special olympics. They got a letter with a pin that designated their special Olympics participation.

The kid was representing the school as a special needs student on a separate team, but still representing the school nonetheless. This ain't just your "everybody gets a ribbon" kind of case IMO and shouldn't be compared as such.
Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 8:53 am to
My old HS has "Special Olympics" letters to contrast "normal" varsity letters. But I honestly couldn't care less about a letter.

My theory is that the parent who complained, their kid probably sucks at sports and didn't get a letter due to said suckery. Pure jealousy for complaining about a special needs child having something that he/she couldn't earn.

The principal painted himself into a corner. He should have taken the moral high road and said "are you kidding me?" to complaining parent. Unfortunately...we get this.

Edit: Should have had a school vote with the kids. See how the students actually felt.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 8:55 am
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46488 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:11 am to
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According to school principal Ken Thiessen, it’s because Kelly isn’t actually on the varsity team.


Sounds like Principal Thiessen and Rudy Ruettiger should get together and go bowling.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 9:20 am to
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My old HS has "Special Olympics" letters

My wife, a nurse and an elementary school teacher, is finishing up her Masters in Education. I've been a witness to the whole process. In fact I've been up all night proofreading her thesis. The sociologists have commandeered public education. "No child left behind" was a masterful coup by the rich: It satisfies the guilt-built yearnings of the sociologists, and it broadens the [already broad] gap between the privately educated blue bloods and what was once a middle class. In a nutshell it's all about the least common denominator. A teacher must ensure that her least capable student reaches every last learning objective. This is the focus and fundament of the new school order. A kid who speaks only Portugese, is dyslexic and autistic, has no hands, and is deaf and blind, has every right to be in the regular classroom; moreover the teacher had better make sure this kid don't fall behind.

If any group is to be sacrificed then it is to be the gifted and talented. This is part and parcel of the current plan. No child left behind.

I'll stop. What I'm getting at is this: the way things are now the special needs kids are practically the superstars of the whole damned system. I'm surprised they don't get the REAL letter jackets.

That's all I have to say about that.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:17 am to
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This ain't just your "everybody gets a ribbon" kind of case IMO and shouldn't be compared as such


So the special teams had try outs and some kids got cut and some kids made the team?

I don't have a problem with a school deciding they want to give letters to whoever they want to give letters to. That's their issue. But to paint it as "they're playing hard so they should get a letter" is a dumb argument.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99035 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:46 am to
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I don't have a problem with a school deciding they want to give letters to whoever they want to give letters to. That's their issue. But to paint it as "they're playing hard so they should get a letter" is a dumb argument.


He's a participant on their special needs team that represents the school in competition. How is that any different than receiving a letter for playing on the varsity team that represents the school in competition? If you're the Principal, would it really hurt to recognize those kids with their own letters so they could also have their own jackets?

My opinion would be different if this was a kid who got cut from the varsity team and never participated on a team representing the school.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51823 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 10:54 am to
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What, like an R?




Posted by BoulderReb
Broomfield, CO
Member since Nov 2013
492 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 3:08 pm to
Thank you. First world problem #4857.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 3/30/15 at 4:48 pm to
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They give the band members a letter and it's not even a sport... Fricking jelly lips!


Well, I used to think this. Then my daughter started doing HS competitive band stuff. Holy shite those kids work their asses off. A good band director is every bit the equivalent of a head coach, especially at the HS level.

College band is different. Thats really just the halftime show. Daughter went to UGA and was 4 years in the redcoats and had a blast, but she would tell you its not has hard as HS by long yards.

I have a LOT of respect for band people. I used to think they were just kids who couldn't play sports but no longer.

And as far as the letter thing goes, Mommy shouldnt have bought the letter. Just like she shouldnt go buy him real air force pilots wings.
This post was edited on 3/30/15 at 4:50 pm
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