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Oklahoma committee votes to ban HS AP courses
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:35 pm
An Oklahoma legislative committee overwhelmingly voted to ban Advanced Placement U.S. History class, persuaded by the argument that it only teaches students “what is bad about America.” Other lawmakers are seeking a court ruling that would effectively prohibit the teaching of all AP courses in public schools.
okies is dumb
Okies making the Arkansas Legislature look smart.
okies is dumb
Okies making the Arkansas Legislature look smart.
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:36 pm to Person of interest
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Other lawmakers are seeking a court ruling that would effectively prohibit the teaching of all AP courses in public schools.
Good grief.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:39 pm to Person of interest
Wow. Just... wow.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:40 pm to Person of interest
I'm all for getting rid of AP courses in HS.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:40 pm to Person of interest
Yet another reason to never ever live in Oklahoma
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:40 pm to Person of interest
After seeing the shite these assholes have passed the last couple years, I think oklahoma wants to head back into the dark ages. What an awful group of legislators.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:41 pm to notsince98
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I'm all for getting rid of AP courses in HS.
Why?
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:42 pm to notsince98
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I'm all for getting rid of AP courses in HS.
Why?
It's a great opportunity for students to gain college credit while still in high school and to be placed in a class with students who are on a similar academic level. I don't see where there's anything remotely wrong with that.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:49 pm to Person of interest
even my backwoods district offered dual enrollment courses through the local community college. frick passing an ap test to get college credit.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:50 pm to Person of interest
It's stupid and reactionary. Which is typical of what we see from state legislatures. Well, legislatures in general, really.
I'd be interested to hear more from the congresspersons and what drove their vote from their own interpretation. If a history teacher said that an AP history class was completely incongruent with the idea of American exceptionalism, then I might introduce a bill to ban AP history courses for fun. I'm sure none of that is what took place here though.
I'd guess there's plenty of mud slinging and false equivalencies and lots of taking the moral high ground on both sides.
I'd be interested to hear more from the congresspersons and what drove their vote from their own interpretation. If a history teacher said that an AP history class was completely incongruent with the idea of American exceptionalism, then I might introduce a bill to ban AP history courses for fun. I'm sure none of that is what took place here though.
I'd guess there's plenty of mud slinging and false equivalencies and lots of taking the moral high ground on both sides.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's a great opportunity for students to gain college credit while still in high school and to be placed in a class with students who are on a similar academic level. I don't see where there's anything remotely wrong with that.
Most of them just overload HS kids with more work and less enjoyment of being a kid. The college credit is a loss for many kids who don't take the time to see if the credits will transfer to whatever university they choose.
If a kid is bored in HS, they need to put in the work and graduate early and go to college. It is just taking resources away from kids that could use the extra attention and teaching.
Not to mention, taking AP classes doesn't create any "advancement" of education. I went to engineering school with many kids who took AP calculus in high school and it didn't prepare them for the higher level calc classes, physics and engineering classes at all. Those are typically classes better off taught where you are going to go to college so that you know you get everything you need at a level you need it.
It shouldn't be the governments job to challenge a bored child, that is the job of the parents. Government shouldn't be responsible for anything more than the bare minimum.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Why? It's a great opportunity for students to gain college credit while still in high school and to be placed in a class with students who are on a similar academic level. I don't see where there's anything remotely wrong with that.
You're relegating foundational courses to Joe who also teaches typing and coaches girls cross country. That's a bit of hyperbole, but there's a point in there.
Taking AP Biology at the HS level makes parents feel good and saves them a several hundred dollars if Susie manages to pass the test. I'm not sure it's ultra valuable to shove college level coursework down to the high school level.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:54 pm to Person of interest
Lol pretty soon OU is going to be like 90% TX kids. We have quite the foursome of neighbors in LA OK AR and NM. Each brings their own unique quirks to the table
Posted on 2/17/15 at 12:58 pm to notsince98
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Most of them just overload HS kids with more work and less enjoyment of being a kid. The college credit is a loss for many kids who don't take the time to see if the credits will transfer to whatever university they choose.
I took AP courses for college credit in HS and didn't have an issue with overload at all. And transferred to a major university.
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If a kid is bored in HS, they need to put in the work and graduate early and go to college. It is just taking resources away from kids that could use the extra attention and teaching.
So they're not at important as the kid who needs extra assistance? I'm going to assume their parents pay taxes just like everyone else and their money goes towards the school system. Why shouldn't their needs be met as well?
Our district typically utilizes college professors/instructors to teach AP classes. If it's a concern of instruction that's on that school district for not utilizing the resources.
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So they're not at important as the kid who needs extra assistance? I'm going to assume their parents pay taxes just like everyone else and their money goes towards the school system. Why shouldn't their needs be met as well?
Our district typically utilizes college professors/instructors to teach AP classes. If it's a concern of instruction that's on that school district for not utilizing the resources.
You are getting into more politically charged issues. Just let it go. I found AP classes just as boring as regular classes. They are just a waste.
My experience carries more weight than yours so let it go. I win.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:08 pm to notsince98
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Most of them just overload HS kids with more work and less enjoyment of being a kid. The college credit is a loss for many kids who don't take the time to see if the credits will transfer to whatever university they choose.
If a kid is bored in HS, they need to put in the work and graduate early and go to college. It is just taking resources away from kids that could use the extra attention and teaching.
Not to mention, taking AP classes doesn't create any "advancement" of education. I went to engineering school with many kids who took AP calculus in high school and it didn't prepare them for the higher level calc classes, physics and engineering classes at all. Those are typically classes better off taught where you are going to go to college so that you know you get everything you need at a level you need it.
It shouldn't be the governments job to challenge a bored child, that is the job of the parents. Government shouldn't be responsible for anything more than the bare minimum.
AP courses have a lot less to do with teaching you trivial knowledge and moreso to do with preparing you to balance college-level rigor for the next stage.
Nobody is required to take an AP class. So, GTFO with this misguided nonsense.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:11 pm to tylerdurden24
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Nobody is required to take an AP class. So, GTFO with this misguided nonsense.
That is exactly the point. Why offer options when schools aren't even covering the basics well enough. Instead of offering AP, why not utilize the resources to lower the teacher:student ratio and use existing funds more efficiently? Government wastes so much money but schools are arguably worse, at least public schools.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
Oklahoma is such a shitty fricking state. It and kansas provide absolutely zero to the country.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:11 pm to notsince98
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You are getting into more politically charged issues. Just let it go. I found AP classes just as boring as regular classes. They are just a waste.
In a thread about politics deciding curriculum?
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My experience carries more weight than yours so let it go. I win.
Riiiigghhtt.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 1:18 pm to notsince98
This might be the dumbest thing to ever come out of a legislature. Arguing that AP History isn't "patriotic enough". AP classes are excellent options for students who excel in the "normal" classes and are looking for a challenge. Not to mention potential savings with college credit.
If anything, US history should focus on some of our darker spots in our history. I know I certainly didn't learn enough about civil rights and the Trail of Tears. We can't just forget about things that happened. We need to be taught that our country isn't all "star spangled awesome" so we can learn from our mistakes.
If anything, US history should focus on some of our darker spots in our history. I know I certainly didn't learn enough about civil rights and the Trail of Tears. We can't just forget about things that happened. We need to be taught that our country isn't all "star spangled awesome" so we can learn from our mistakes.
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