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Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:46 pm to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:46 pm to heartbreakTiger
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i agree completely belle, Im all for gay rights and stuff but im also for private business being able to do as it pleases.
Pretty much. Do I think it's silly that they're dumping a potentially good teacher because of her sexual orientation? Absolutely. Could they have handled it better? Probably. She was obviously good enough at her job that she was around for quite some time.
That said, most of the teachers I know who teach at private/religious-based schools also have a moral clause included in their contract. Especially at a Catholic school (we had a teacher here recently fired because she directed a student how to get birth control). I don't agree with it but that's part of teaching at a private, religious school.
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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That said, most of the teachers I know who teach at private/religious-based schools also have a moral clause included in their contract. Especially at a Catholic school (we had a teacher here recently fired because she directed a student how to get birth control). I don't agree with it but that's part of teaching at a private, religious school.
Yep.
I'm a veteran of Catholic schooling, and this is always the case. They know that going in.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 12:59 pm to Duke
while the students are no doubt a better caliber of person at private schools, im not sure its worth dealing with the extra rules and usually less money/benefits to teach at them.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:05 pm to SwayzeBalla
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It's a private catholic school. What's the problem?
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:08 pm to heartbreakTiger
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while the students are no doubt a better caliber of person at private schools
I wouldn't go that far. They are most likely smarter on average though. quote:
im not sure its worth dealing with the extra rules and usually less money/benefits to teach at them.
Yeah, but you get a better quality student on the whole. They're actually going to get something out of it. Not to mention not having to deal with state testing and the general headaches of a government ran system.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:13 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Private school, I have no problem with this.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:22 pm to Duke
You get better quality students because they can kick out what they can. That said, you also have to deal with some high and mighty parents who think their child does no wrong and that's a whole other set of issues.
Give me my public school heathens.
Give me my public school heathens.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:35 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You get better quality students because they can kick out what they can
Not just that though. The price point plays a large role in restricting access to kids from upper middle class to above. Unless you're an athlete. There's a reason poverty and poor education are always linked.
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That said, you also have to deal with some high and mighty parents who think their child does no wrong and that's a whole other set of issues.
I KNOW that happens with some frequency. I don't blame you for not wanting to deal with that. More so if that parent also donated a large sum of money to help build that new science center.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:38 pm to Duke
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The price point plays a large role in restricting access to kids from upper middle class to above. Unless you're an athlete. There's a reason poverty and poor education are always linked.
There are plenty of public schools that are just as good as private schools. They don't have to deal with snooty parents and spoiled kids either.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:41 pm to CatFan81
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There are plenty of public schools that are just as good as private schools. They don't have to deal with snooty parents and spoiled kids either.
Do you know how I know you're not from the deep south?
There are a few publics that compare to the private schools in this part of the world, but they are almost always "magnet" schools designed to draw the best and the brightest. Part of the problem with the education system in this part of the world is that the people with influence have their kids in private schools and thus have no reason to care about the shite condition of the education system.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:43 pm to CatFan81
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There are plenty of public schools that are just as good as private schools. They don't have to deal with snooty parents and spoiled kids either.
And yet the public schools with the most snooty parent involvement seem to be the best in my experience.
Probably not a whole ton of great public schools with little to no parental involvement.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:43 pm to Duke
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Not just that though. The price point plays a large role in restricting access to kids from upper middle class to above. Unless you're an athlete. There's a reason poverty and poor education are always linked.
Agreed. It's absolutely linked. I see it everyday.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:46 pm to Duke
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There are a few publics that compare to the private schools in this part of the world, but they are almost always "magnet" schools designed to draw the best and the brightest. Part of the problem with the education system in this part of the world is that the people with influence have their kids in private schools and thus have no reason to care about the shite condition of the education system.
I couldn't have said it better myself. We have the same issue here. The magnet schools pull from the lower-income districts in the county and pull the best/brightest. You're essentially left with the lowest performing students depending on what kind of district your county was kind enough to draw up for you. It's quicksand in the worst way.
And the ones that do care think the only solution is to shut down the poorer/lower performing schools (not realizing those kids are coming to a school near you) and to cut off funding to schools that need it the most.
ETA: The fault is in the system as a whole. No Child Left Behind is an awful reform (and a bipartisan one at that so no one party is to blame). Expecting every child to reach the same benchmark without taking into account outside factors is utopian at best.
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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We have the same issue here.
I'm sure you do. It's just a special kind of bad down here. I grew up in Mobile before moving to Louisiana for my Sr. year of HS. There was basically one public HS that was good. If you weren't in their district, people with decent money sent their kids on one of the three big private high schools.
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You're essentially left with the lowest performing students depending on what kind of district your county was kind enough to draw up for you. It's quicksand in the worst way.
Certainly. The teachers in Mobile who weren't lucky enough to be at Murphy had quite the challenge on their hands.
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And the ones that do care think the only solution is to shut down the poorer/lower performing schools (not realizing those kids are coming to a school near you) and to cut off funding to schools that need it the most.
Thus continuing the cycle. Part of the problem there however is seeing money thrown at those schools in the past and results not changing. Of course, they don't see the issue is more how the money is spent.
So now we have those high stakes state testing with incentives and disincentives to educators based on how their class does. If you're in a poorly performing school, it's great motivation to just teach the test if not outright cheat. Does nothing to actually improve the education of those kids. Then, if you do fail, we make the job that much harder with cutbacks.
The flaws in the education system are numerous, but those of us lucky enough to get a good education like to ignore the problem or blame it on poor blacks.
ETA: Ha! I knew where you were going with NCLB before you got there.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:00 pm to Duke
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Do you know how I know you're not from the deep south?
It's not hard to tell. I guess I just haven't had any experience with deep south public schools.
The state that I grew up in is one of the best states for education in the country.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:04 pm to CatFan81
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The state that I grew up in is one of the best states for education in the country
You're from NOVA right? It's a totally different animal in Louisiana.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:06 pm to Duke
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I'm sure you do. It's just a special kind of bad down here. I grew up in Mobile before moving to Louisiana for my Sr. year of HS. There was basically one public HS that was good. If you weren't in their district, people with decent money sent their kids on one of the three big private high schools.
It's like that here as well. We have several good Catholic schools in the region and that's where they typically put their kids. If not, they apply for a handful of really strong magnet programs in the district.
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Thus continuing the cycle. Part of the problem there however is seeing money thrown at those schools in the past and results not changing. Of course, they don't see the issue is more how the money is spent.
Agreed again. The distribution of money in districts, particularly mine, is a whole lot of arse backwards. When it's all said and done the people who should be making the decisions on what they need in the classroom (i.e. teachers, school-based admin) don't have that opportunity.
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So now we have those high stakes state testing with incentives and disincentives to educators based on how their class does. If you're in a poorly performing school, it's great motivation to just teach the test if not outright cheat. Does nothing to actually improve the education of those kids. Then, if you do fail, we make the job that much harder with cutbacks.
I'm on the fence over incentives. I can see both sides of the coin. We've currently been restructured post-state audit to have incentives, along with increased evaluations, for teachers. I think it's beneficial to some teachers depending on the crop of students they get. If you're a special education teacher or an English as a Second Language teacher you're essentially fricked though. It's once again not looking at the student as individual who learns at different rates/paces.
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ETA: Ha! I knew where you were going with NCLB before you got there.
I can go for days.
ETA: We may need to start another thread for this discussion.
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:09 pm to Duke
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You're from NOVA right? It's a totally different animal in Louisiana.
Apparently.
Even the more rural schools in Virginia are pretty good though.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'm on the fence over incentives. I can see both sides of the coin. We've currently been restructured post-state audit to have incentives, along with increased evaluations, for teachers. I think it's beneficial to some teachers depending on the crop of students they get. If you're a special education teacher or an English as a Second Language teacher you're essentially fricked though. It's once again not looking at the student as individual who learns at different rates/paces.
Luck of the draw doesn't exactly lend its self to a good system. I understand the perspective of rewarding quality teaching. I just don't agree with a system that a quality teacher may suffer because of the kids he/she gets in the classroom. The incentive is there to improve our children's education. I don't believe it is structured in a way to actually achieve that goal.
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We may need to start another thread for this discussion.
It should be done then. I'm obviously not an educator but I think I would really enjoy being a teacher. I've done enough tutoring to know I've got a bit of a talent for it, and I really enjoy watching ideas click in people's heads. I wouldn't do it at this point in time though. Y'all don't get paid enough considering what I can make in the engineering field and well the system seems to be a bit of a mess.
It's an interesting topic though, and one that isn't discussed nearly enough.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:18 pm to Duke
The OT says most women under 30 shave their privates. How can it be called Carpet munching then?
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