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New exoplanet found has scientists excited.

Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:35 pm
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So it's another super earth orbiting a red dwarf star. It is in the habitable zone so of course they act all excited in part to interest the public and hope it leads to more funding which is important. Everyone is interested in aliens so that's what they hit us with. I think they know that life probably couldn't have evolved there but it's worth a look anyway.
This post was edited on 4/20/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49680 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 4:50 pm to
They are finding so many of these that the public isn't paying that much attention anymore .
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 5:31 pm to
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They are finding so many of these that the public isn't paying that much attention anymore .


True but they have to try. We need to fund our cosmologists and astronomers. They may hit a real lick someday.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10334 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 7:47 pm to
Seriously, the average boot licker today is more tuned in to what Kaitlyn Jenner said about the Kardashian's new fashion line than they are about prospects for life in outer space.

The next big event in this timeline will be when an alien space craft lands in Kansas and pops the hatch in the middle of a Royals game. Until then, people are like: Meh.
Posted by hogNsinceReagan
Fayetteville, Ar
Member since Feb 2015
5879 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:18 pm to
Yea, I'm not going to pretend to know what goes where in the national budget but if a real war breaks out the space program is going to take a major hit. Sorry guy.

On the bright side, if it looks like we're about to destroy ourselves "they" might finally decide to intervene. A world war could really be a blessing in disguise on that front.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/20/17 at 8:30 pm to
Based on discoveries in the 21st century there are an estimated 33 billion earth-sized planets in the Milky Way, 20 billion of which orbit dwarf red stars. This was exciting news at first but discoveries since have shown that red dwarf planets are generally unfavorable candidates for life because of the amount of radiation they receive, are tidally locked with their star or have been stripped of their atmospheres during the stars' early formative epochs.

There are surely exceptions to these generalizations, and LHS 1140b may be one, but the chances seem slim, again based on what we've seen so far. It's definitely worth a closer look. However, the number of potentially habitable planets is rising so fast that even better candidates may supplant this one for study by the James Webb Space Telescope when it launches next year.
Posted by Aux Arc
SW Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
2184 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 4:39 pm to
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when an alien space craft lands in Kansas and pops the hatch in the middle of a Royals game.


That would be really weird for the Royals to be playing in Kansas.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 5:43 pm to
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I think they know that life probably couldn't have evolved there but it's worth a look anyway.


Well... I would have to agree since evolution has not been proven to exist anywhere.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:07 pm to
Royals in Missouri. Aliens just across the river in Kansas. Do I have to put everything together for you?
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:41 pm to
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Well... I would have to agree since evolution has not been proven to exist anywhere.


Yes, it has.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:49 pm to
Link? One that is supportive of a Law of Evolution please, and not just the Theory of Evolution.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 7:53 pm to
Give a link yourself. You're the one going against the grain of knowledge.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:31 pm to
So, the grain of knowledge says an unproven theory is fact because so many people choose to believe it, even though it's unquantifiable.

Yeah, have fun with that delusion.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 8:42 pm to
You can't just say that you're a theist? Not that there's anything wrong with that.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 8:48 pm
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:02 pm to
Yeah, on second thought I probably should've just said that. I'm not trying to bang on you personally. It just is sad to me that so many people get sucked into believing evolution as fact. I apologize for coming across as combative.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:09 pm to
No problemo.

Theists look for the "why" of existence while scientists look for the "how." Too many theists, in my opinion, mistake evolution for a set of beliefs. Actually it's just a biological process of adaptation to environments and genetic mutations.

Most of the theists that I know don't see a conflict between evolution and their faiths. Actually, they see evolution as the "how" God worked His miracles of life.
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
4420 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:45 pm to
Yeah, now adaptation to me is a totally separate thing in that the change is in the same species. I can buy into that. Evolution, as has been presented in my academic career, is a change of one species becoming another. That, I think, is what I see kids swallowing hook, line, and sinker without looking for actual, proven evidence. It simply doesn't exist from what I've seen.

But anyway, to each his own. Cheers, man!
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 4/21/17 at 9:57 pm to
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Link? One that is supportive of a Law of Evolution please, and not just the Theory of Evolution.


A Scientific Theory is actually very high on the ladder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

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It is important to note that the definition of a "scientific theory" (often ambiguously contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity, including in this page) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory".





Furthermore, there's a fantastic video on Youtube that's quite extensive and thorough of a lecture by Kenneth R. Miller -- a Roman Catholic who is also a Biologist if your mind is open enough to consider his argument.

The volume is very low, you will need speakers or headphones.

Good luck on your quest for truth.
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:01 am to
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Evolution, as has been presented in my academic career, is a change of one species becoming another. That, I think, is what I see kids swallowing hook, line, and sinker without looking for actual, proven evidence.


The Galapagos finch example is probably the easiest to follow and understand. It shows how one species of finch developed into several through adaptation. I think the confusion for most people who aren't biologists comes with the possible misconception that species can jump from one family to another.

A cat cannot become a dog, for example, but could, if conditions necessitated, attain dog-like characteristics via convergent evolution. This would, of course, have to happen over a long, long period and the animals would never be the same species. They would simply share some common characteristics as the result of adaptation to similar circumstances.

A good example of convergent evolution is the hummingbird and the hummingbird moth. Two radically different species have adapted to extracting nectar from certain flower types in similar ways.
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