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re: Netflix documentary recomendations?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:52 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:52 am to Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:12 am to Sleeping Tiger
I actually watched that a few months back (most of it anyway).
It brings up some good points, but at the end of the day I feel like it centered around the idea that humans are actually capable of creating a society where the sort of problems they are discussing either dont exist or are greatly minimized.
History and human nature both tell us that is just not very realistic. Our very nature makes it impossible to do, eventually all civilizations end up with vast unequal distributions of wealth and power and have a poor allocation of finances and resources.
IMO, "thats just the way it is" should be an acceptable answer so long as humans exist in their current state. Humans are "flawed" by our own idealistic standards of how the world should be, and I see no reason to believe that is fixable. Humans have abused every political and social system ever conceived.
It brings up some good points, but at the end of the day I feel like it centered around the idea that humans are actually capable of creating a society where the sort of problems they are discussing either dont exist or are greatly minimized.
History and human nature both tell us that is just not very realistic. Our very nature makes it impossible to do, eventually all civilizations end up with vast unequal distributions of wealth and power and have a poor allocation of finances and resources.
IMO, "thats just the way it is" should be an acceptable answer so long as humans exist in their current state. Humans are "flawed" by our own idealistic standards of how the world should be, and I see no reason to believe that is fixable. Humans have abused every political and social system ever conceived.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:18 am to Roger Klarvin
It actually doesn't say everyone should have equal distributions of wealth, but okay. And socialism doesn't even really say that, the term 'equality' is greatly misunderstood.
It's a capitalist movie.
I'd be interested to see you comment on it in a specific way, since you watched it.
It's a capitalist movie.
I'd be interested to see you comment on it in a specific way, since you watched it.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 1:22 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:37 am to Roger Klarvin
"Let the Fire Burn" - about a stand off between MOVE and the Philly police in the early 80s.
"Bhutto" - biopic of former Pakistani Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto. Crazy how so many decisions made decades ago still reverberate today in regards to the Middle East.
If you have NBC On Demand, last night's two hour Dateline on the 20 year anniversary of the OJ Simpson case was good, too. It will piss you off though.
"Bhutto" - biopic of former Pakistani Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto. Crazy how so many decisions made decades ago still reverberate today in regards to the Middle East.
If you have NBC On Demand, last night's two hour Dateline on the 20 year anniversary of the OJ Simpson case was good, too. It will piss you off though.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:52 am to Sleeping Tiger
nm, not worth getting into a drawn out debate at 2 AM.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 1:55 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:56 am to Roger Klarvin
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nm, not worth getting into a drawn out debate at 2 AM.
Haha, I saw your message before you edited it.
I was about to have a field day.
The truth is you've never watched that documentary.
I don't see why you felt the need to lie about it. Weird.
ETA: You typed out an extremely long response and then deleted it, was it because you knew it sounded like generic garbage and I'd easily realize you were bullshitting? Yes.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 1:57 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:59 am to Sleeping Tiger
Dude, why do you do this?
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:03 am to Mizzeaux
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Dude, why do you do this?
Do I, though?
I recommended a documentary. That's all.
He responded with a post saying he's seen it, then made a generic comment that was incorrect about the film.
I asked him to say something specific about it, which he attempted to do before he deleted it.
Is the weirdness really on me? (Obviously my persistence is not normal)
If you breakdown what actually happened all I did was recommend a movie, he's the one that tried lying about seeing it. If the script was flipped I'd be called out for doing what he just did. But so it goes.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:10 am to Sleeping Tiger
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The truth is you've never watched that documentary.
I don't see why you felt the need to lie about it. Weird.
I deleted it because I knew this was coming and didn't see the point in delving into another one of your snark fests. Too late I suppose, but oh well.
Thanks for proving my claim about you on the political board just hours ago, though.
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You typed out an extremely long response and then deleted it, was it because you knew it sounded like generic garbage and I'd easily realize you were bullshitting? Yes.
Think whatever you want
Next time you choose to act at a loss as to why people don't try and debate with you, remember this.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:13 am to Sleeping Tiger
Dunno man, I'm a pretty smart guy, and it's been a downfall of mine. I'm constantly letting people know I'm smarter than them whether I know it or not. It's just in the way I talk to people.
It has cost me a lot of friendships, and people I meet on normal life tended not to like me until I curtailed it.
I see some of what I used to do in you.
People know you're smart. Why do you always have to make sure they know you're smarter or more knowledgable than they are? Doesn't just knowing that you know and continuing your life without their approval seem a lot less confrontational and acceptable? You're never going to get their approval by confronting them, someone being told they're dumber than you is never going to achieve much. Even if they know you're right, they'll never admit it, and they'll generally even revolt against it out of pride.
You're really knowledgable, I just don't get why you haven't included the social part of being smart to work.
No offense, I just see a lot of what I used to do in you.
People follow knowledgeable and smart people, they don't follow smart cocksuckers.
It has cost me a lot of friendships, and people I meet on normal life tended not to like me until I curtailed it.
I see some of what I used to do in you.
People know you're smart. Why do you always have to make sure they know you're smarter or more knowledgable than they are? Doesn't just knowing that you know and continuing your life without their approval seem a lot less confrontational and acceptable? You're never going to get their approval by confronting them, someone being told they're dumber than you is never going to achieve much. Even if they know you're right, they'll never admit it, and they'll generally even revolt against it out of pride.
You're really knowledgable, I just don't get why you haven't included the social part of being smart to work.
No offense, I just see a lot of what I used to do in you.
People follow knowledgeable and smart people, they don't follow smart cocksuckers.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 2:15 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:18 am to Mizzeaux
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It has cost me a lot of friendships, and people I meet on normal life tended not to like me until I curtailed it.
I'm not at all like that in real life. And my appearance and demeanor are totally the opposite of this. I have a comforting and easy way of coming across to people in real life.
The last things I'd ever be accused of in real life are what I'm accused of on here.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 2:19 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:18 am to Sleeping Tiger
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he's the one that tried lying about seeing it
I watched about an hour of it while waiting in a doctor's office a few months back. You don't like my general opinion of it and decided to claim I simply haven't seen any of it, just as I said you would earlier today. I could tell from your second post in this thread it was coming (you're really predictable, for the record), but acted against my better judgement and actually typed out a legitimate response. My deletion was a change of mind to avoid what is precisely now occurring.
My dismissal of the documentaries message doesn't sit with you, and this incredible ego defense of yours kicked in. Like it always does, like it always will. Just as I said it does, and would.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:21 am to Sleeping Tiger
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I'm not at all like that in real life.
Then why here?
Trolling is one thing, but you put a lot of hours and a lot of effort into coming across as a self-adoring prick. Why put forth that effort to create an internet persona both different from your own and one which nobody is going to care for?
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I have a comforting and easy way of coming across to people in real life.
I'd be interested in hearing both sides of that story.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:22 am to Roger Klarvin
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You don't like my general opinion of it and decided to claim I simply haven't seen any of it
It's not that I don't like your opinion, it's that your opinion doesn't reflect that you've seen it. Not even in the slightest.
And now you're doing what you do, saying a lot of nothing. This is standard.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:22 am to Sleeping Tiger
If you've figured out the way to be like this here and be social in real life, I guess that's awesome.
So is this just a way of getting all that pent up shite from real life out? I find it extremely difficult to not express myself with people in real life, and maybe I should use this more as a tool.
For example, if someone starts talking about political shite at work, do you just say something uncontroversial with then and then start fricking shite up here?
Genuinely interested.
So is this just a way of getting all that pent up shite from real life out? I find it extremely difficult to not express myself with people in real life, and maybe I should use this more as a tool.
For example, if someone starts talking about political shite at work, do you just say something uncontroversial with then and then start fricking shite up here?
Genuinely interested.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:28 am to Roger Klarvin
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Trolling is one thing, but you put a lot of hours and a lot of effort into coming across as a self-adoring prick. Why put forth that effort to create an internet persona both different from your own and one which nobody is going to care for?
I believe a lot of it has to do with pre existing expectations.
I used this account for a couple months in other areas of this site with good dialogue, without the constant backlash and berating. Once it spread that I was Mogray it all came tumbling down. Nothing could be said without an incredible assortment of degrading. I likely feed of that in multiple ways and it effects my posting. To be clear, I'm not putting all the blame on others.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:31 am to Sleeping Tiger
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It's not that I don't like your opinion, it's that your opinion doesn't reflect that you've seen it. Not even in the slightest.
It argued that the baby boomers fricked us over.
It argued that the war on terror is largely one of financial incentive to create debt.
It made the standard "national debt is bad" arguments.
It made a big fuss about the fractional reserve.
They want to us to go back to using the gold standard.
Noam Chomsky looked like death.
What do you want me to say? It was a documentary that appeals to idealistic minds.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:32 am to Mizzeaux
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If you've figured out the way to be like this here and be social in real life, I guess that's awesome.
So is this just a way of getting all that pent up shite from real life out? I find it extremely difficult to not express myself with people in real life, and maybe I should use this more as a tool.
For example, if someone starts talking about political shite at work, do you just say something uncontroversial with then and then start fricking shite up here?
Genuinely interested.
The dynamics of real life conservation are so very different than this, I'd make some long explanations of that but I think you mostly know what I mean.
On here there it's a lot easier to misunderstand someone, and then the conversation is sailing in a direction that it shouldn't.
Quote sniping and manipulative tactics are a lot easier to pull off here.
There are alliances and reputations that are hard to overcome. Sometimes you may have multiple tomato throwers distracting from the substance of a conversation.
Spoken word allows for better explaining, especially when length of posts is important, typing too much takes away readers, but in real life you can talk and hold peoples attention.
I could keep going on this..
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:35 am to Sleeping Tiger
I guess. In real life you have some character collateral that can make some of the shite seem a lot less harsh, I get that.
ETA: I guess I just can't think of a situation(IRL or here) in which I'd call out a dude in a conversation claiming to have seen a documentary when I thought he hadn't actually seen it based on his opinion of it. Calling that out just seems self serving in any situation.
What are the possible results? Making him seem like a liar, or opening a path for you to say something about the documentary that you saw that maybe he didn't see. Either way, it's just asking people to validate that you're smart.
ETA: I guess I just can't think of a situation(IRL or here) in which I'd call out a dude in a conversation claiming to have seen a documentary when I thought he hadn't actually seen it based on his opinion of it. Calling that out just seems self serving in any situation.
What are the possible results? Making him seem like a liar, or opening a path for you to say something about the documentary that you saw that maybe he didn't see. Either way, it's just asking people to validate that you're smart.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 2:41 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:36 am to Sleeping Tiger
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I used this account for a couple months in other areas of this site with good dialogue, without the constant backlash and berating. Once it spread that I was Mogray it all came tumbling down. Nothing could be said without an incredible assortment of degrading. I likely feed of that in multiple ways and it effects my posting. To be clear, I'm not putting all the blame on others.
If it makes you feel any better, I never associated you with Mogray until I saw someone mention it a few days ago. I don't ever remember you being this bad under that name, though.
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