Started By
Message
2
Posted on 1/16/16 at 1:40 pm to Alahunter
I'm not a huge fan of the nationalism, but it certainly should come as no shock. Lots of change, tough economics, and outsiders coming into the country. People are going to go tribal.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 3:44 pm to Cobrasize
Good for them. The Muslim scum needs to go
Posted on 1/16/16 at 6:10 pm to Cobrasize
quote:
Neo-Nazis rampage in Germany by Cobrasize
There's a really, really big difference between the rise of National Socialism in Germany in the 20's - 30's and Germans today getting pissed over losing their cultural identity based on the policies of greedy, regressive government.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:02 pm to stat19
It was the headline of the article. I just copied it. Trust me, I'm tired of every time The German people stand up for themselves, they get labeled as Nazis.
Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:30 pm to Cobrasize
quote:
Cobrasize
Posted on 1/16/16 at 7:35 pm to stat19
This post was edited on 1/16/16 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 1/17/16 at 8:35 am to Cobrasize
Pegida is not a Nazi party. Also, it remains a fringe group, and this will only serve to further marginalize it. But they are more or less right that their government has been irresponsible in accepting so many refugees. I tried to warn all the bleeding hearts I know that this would have bad consequences for everyone.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 8:36 am to Kentucker
quote:
Systematically killing more than 6 million people in concentration camps because they're "undesirables" will get you that reputation.
Russia killed far more people and they do nothing to apologize for it.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 9:24 am to CrimsonCrusade
The consequences are good for Europe long term as the second and third generations come up.
What scares me is this here short term situation. The numbers are large, and any bad apples will cause an unreasonable fear response. Much less the rapist scum and assulters. Volatile situation on hand.
What scares me is this here short term situation. The numbers are large, and any bad apples will cause an unreasonable fear response. Much less the rapist scum and assulters. Volatile situation on hand.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 9:49 am to Duke
I would disagree that its good for Europe long term. Islam by its tenants, is a violent religion that requires submission or death.
This is not a simple case of diversity. And history has shown that more diversity is not conducive to a stable nation long term.
This is not a simple case of diversity. And history has shown that more diversity is not conducive to a stable nation long term.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:05 am to Alahunter
I'm convinced were in and have been in the early stages of WW3. If the world economy does indeed go South, I expect it to escalate
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:31 am to Alahunter
Europe needs a growing population going forward, and these immigrants provide the answer.
The problem is all the short game. You've got people coming from a hotbed of religious extremis (and historically a rather extremist region to begin with), that's enough to raise the fear meter to ridiculous. You know, given the odds of actually being attacked.
So then the scared people will look for answers and it won't be the multicultural liberals. Far right in power (conservative movements picking up in Poland now, Hungary already, anD even France). Economy is teetering on another dip...
There's a lot of friction, wouldn't be hard to start a fire.
The problem is all the short game. You've got people coming from a hotbed of religious extremis (and historically a rather extremist region to begin with), that's enough to raise the fear meter to ridiculous. You know, given the odds of actually being attacked.
So then the scared people will look for answers and it won't be the multicultural liberals. Far right in power (conservative movements picking up in Poland now, Hungary already, anD even France). Economy is teetering on another dip...
There's a lot of friction, wouldn't be hard to start a fire.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 10:47 am to Alahunter
I don't care about diversity. Im also aware trying to fight the political and economic factors driving the migration are a fools errand. It takes increasing effort to fight against the equilibrium.
And there's a cost. Say Europe doesn't take in the migrants, so they're just in limbo in very stable places like Turkey, the Balkans, and the greater Middle East. I'm sure that won't cause blowback. It would be nice of the Saudis would take them on so the numbers would be more manageable, but they're assholes so...
I think Europe didn't prepare for the security issues of taking millions of poor migrants from a religiously and culturally extreme part of the world and dropping them in the West. They also vastly underestimated the homegrown political blowback.
I'm glad we just have to deal with Mexicans.
And there's a cost. Say Europe doesn't take in the migrants, so they're just in limbo in very stable places like Turkey, the Balkans, and the greater Middle East. I'm sure that won't cause blowback. It would be nice of the Saudis would take them on so the numbers would be more manageable, but they're assholes so...
I think Europe didn't prepare for the security issues of taking millions of poor migrants from a religiously and culturally extreme part of the world and dropping them in the West. They also vastly underestimated the homegrown political blowback.
I'm glad we just have to deal with Mexicans.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 11:12 am to Duke
quote:
Europe needs a growing population going forward, and these immigrants provide the answer.
The problem is all the short game. You've got people coming from a hotbed of religious extremis (and historically a rather extremist region to begin with), that's enough to raise the fear meter to ridiculous. You know, given the odds of actually being attacked.
Population growth by way of extremism isn't a good answer.
And when that faction gains a stronger foothold, it will in no way lessen its beliefs. It will only make it stronger. Thus becoming a long term problem, not just a short term problem. You'll also see what's already going on in the middle east, with the fractures within Islam itself, causing a more destabilizing problem.
As far as the odds of being attacked, Islamic attacks number in the tens of thousands the last decade or so. Hundreds across Europe in just one night. Paris.. the list goes on and will continue, because that is what they do. And millions support the actions based on their religion even if they aren't attacking.
quote:
There's a lot of friction, wouldn't be hard to start a fire.
I think it's started. It's just a smoldering one at the moment.
quote:
I think Europe didn't prepare for the security issues of taking millions of poor migrants from a religiously and culturally extreme part of the world and dropping them in the West. They also vastly underestimated the homegrown political blowback.
I'm glad we just have to deal with Mexicans.
Agree. They were shortsighted and what is happening is what you get when you govern on emotion and a sense of globalization, when we are still a world of nationalities and will forever remain so.
I believe you're going to be seeing a lot more than just Mexicans that we're dealing with in the future with the policies and forced refugee immigration here along with an incompetent immigration policy.
All, imho... of course.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 11:55 am to Duke
quote:
The consequences are good for Europe long term as the second and third generations come up.
dumb
Posted on 1/17/16 at 12:28 pm to Alahunter
quote:
Population growth by way of extremism isn't a good answer.
There is no good answer, this is just the one being forced in their lap.
quote:
It will only make it stronger. Thus becoming a long term problem, not just a short term problem. You'll also see what's already going on in the middle east, with the fractures within Islam itself, causing a more destabilizing problem.
Or their kids can watch German TV, enjoy the not fear of government disappearances/random bombings and rule of law. See the virtue of those things, and not be a crazy terrorist murdering Islamists. There will be some drawn to that, but that's why Interpol is a thing.
quote:
As far as the odds of being attacked, Islamic attacks number in the tens of thousands the last decade or so. Hundreds across Europe in just one night.
Sounds like Car wrecks and cancer are still far more likely to kill me and you.
I will grant you this, there are tenants of Islam that make it easier to use to fuel violence. They're coming from a violent war torn region where this religion is dominant. There's going to be a disproportionate violent share of the migrant pot compared to your average refugee crisis. That is justifiably scary for people living there.
They will overreact to the fear, because they're people.
quote:
I think it's started. It's just a smoldering one at the moment.
Could be. Look at the pace of change globally right now. Nature typically doesn't have big changes without explosive consequences.
I just have faith people will figure it out in the long run, we always seem to.
quote:
Agree. They were shortsighted and what is happening is what you get when you govern on emotion and a sense of globalization, when we are still a world of nationalities and will forever remain so.
Yes, but being an Arab or even Muslim doesn't mean they can't identify (LOL) as German. They can't however want to wage Jihad on the West and be German.
Look, technology offers the promise of a very bright future for humanity. And while I don't share the general hysterics of the death of western culture to Islam, I do share the very real concern we might blow ourselves up before we get to the really awesome stuff.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 12:29 pm to sullivanct19a
Shortsighted.
I even capitalized my one word argument. So I win.
I even capitalized my one word argument. So I win.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:12 pm to Duke
quote:
Shortsighted.
I even capitalized my one word argument. So I win.
No, you're an idiot that has tried to make this too complex and you look for panaceas like 'technology'. You don't know what in the fuq you're talking about. And I am very confident you've never even been to that part of the world to try and gauge your witless theories against reality.
To think 2nd and 3rd generations of individuals are going to benefit Europe when the 1st generation is out raping or accepting of rape is not only stupid, but blind to reality altogether.
You should write fiction novels with the crap you're spewing.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 2:09 pm to Duke
quote:
There is no good answer, this is just the one being forced in their lap.
I tend to believe this is more of a disaster than an answer.
quote:
Or their kids can watch German TV, enjoy the not fear of government disappearances/random bombings and rule of law. See the virtue of those things, and not be a crazy terrorist murdering Islamists. There will be some drawn to that, but that's why Interpol is a thing.
Interpol can't/won't stop those intent to kill and spread a violent ideological religion. It didn't stop the attacks in Paris, beheadings in England or the hundreds of sexual assaults in Germany, Switzerland and other parts of Europe so far. Islam teaches violence is the answer and the only answer to noncompliance. It also teaches that it is not only ok, but encourages its followers to lie and deceive until the time to strike is right. German TV is not going to change 2nd and 3rd generations that are being forced upon people.
Taharrush gamea... The name of the practice translates to 'collective harassment' and is carried out by large groups of men who sexually assault lone women, either by groping, or in some instances, raping them.
The men first surround their victim in circles. Some then sexually assault her, while others not directly involved watch or divert outsiders' attention to what is occurring. This is the mindset of Middle Eastern men. It happened during the Arab Spring in Egypt, numerous other countries and has spread to the countries that welcomed refugees. Again, watching tv is not going to change this mindset. Islam teaches that women are not to be respected and are to be used. Everything about Islam is barbaric.
quote:
will grant you this, there are tenants of Islam that make it easier to use to fuel violence. They're coming from a violent war torn region where this religion is dominant. There's going to be a disproportionate violent share of the migrant pot compared to your average refugee crisis. That is justifiably scary for people living there.
They will overreact to the fear, because they're people.
Using past experiences, logic and common sense doesn't equate to fear. Wanting to stop something that is inherently evil and destructive isn't playing into fear. Sometimes, it's just trying to protect and be proactive. Also, walking down a street, you're not likely to die of a car accident or cancer, as much as you will be attacked by a group of Islamic refugees, if they are the majority around you at that time.
quote:
I just have faith people will figure it out in the long run, we always seem to
Islam in 1400 years, hasn't had a period of peace. Nor has it reformed and recanted the violence it encourages since its inception. Man embodies greed, a lust for power and egos. Time hasn't and won't change this. And infusing violent ideologies into cultures that are more advanced is a ticking time bomb. The warning signs are already going off.
quote:
Look, technology offers the promise of a very bright future for humanity
Technology is only as good as the people using it. And it doesn't change human nature.
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News