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Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:01 pm to genro
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:01 pm to genro
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Soviet Socialism is all about internationalism. That's what the Soviets called themselves: "Internationalists." They sought to eliminate the old order - religion, race, culture, family, national borders, etc. Socially liberal - approved of homosexuality and abortion.
National Socialism was a reaction to that and is of course nationalistic. It focuses on revitalizing and preserving the old older - religion, race, culture, family, national borders.
It places these things and national identity as paramount to a civilization and prosperity, Soviet socialism sees them as barriers to civilization and prosperity. In that way, they are complete opposites.
Wow. This is the first time anyone has been able to answer that question in a way that made sense and didn't look like grasping at straws.
I should have clarified more that I was talking about economics, but I won't move the goal posts, this was a great answer.
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:02 pm to HempHead
How do we eliminate the state? Once the state is eliminated, who's gonna protect you from the new group imposing their tyranny? Doesn't this group become "the state"?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:03 pm to genro
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and the economic outcomes were very different.
Actually, the economics outcomes were very similar: a slow, steady decline of economic output.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:08 pm to cokebottleag
National Socialism quickly saved Germany from a depression. Now that may have due to ramping up the war machine, and we never got to see the long term outcome. But Nazism did not collapse economically, quite the opposite
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:08 pm to genro
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How do we eliminate the state?
I think the only viable way is by advancement of technology. Currency, defense, education, and dispute resolution are the pillars of government monopoly at the moment. The second and fourth are, obviously, the most difficult to provide through private means. I don't have a very good answer for those, and if I did, I'd be doing something about it.
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Once the state is eliminated, who's gonna protect you from the new group imposing their tyranny? Doesn't this group become "the state"?
This is the most poignant criticism of anarcho-capitalism.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:17 pm to genro
Straight out of wikipedia:
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The reasons for the german economic recovery in the 1930s was an extreme increase in government spending, basically Keysian economics. In 1939 before invading Poland, Germany was months from bankruptcy.
From Hitler's mouth:
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In 1934 Hjalmar Schacht, the Reich Minister of Economics, introduced the Mefo bills, allowing Germany to rearm without spending Reichmarks but instead pay industry with Reichmarks and Mefo bills (Government IOU's) which they could trade with each other.[5] Between 1933 and 1939, the total revenue was 62 billion marks, whereas expenditure (at times made up to 60% by rearmament costs) exceeded 101 billion, thus creating a huge deficit and national debt (reaching 38 billion marks in 1939) coinciding with the Kristallnacht and intensified persecutions of Jews and the outbreak of the war.[6][7]
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The reasons for the german economic recovery in the 1930s was an extreme increase in government spending, basically Keysian economics. In 1939 before invading Poland, Germany was months from bankruptcy.
From Hitler's mouth:
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"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system"
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:27 pm to cokebottleag
quote:And yet, he went through debt spending for war just like those capitalists.
"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system"
You have to understand that in Hitler's mind Anglo-American capitalism and Soviet communism were the same thing and part of the same plan. He rejected both (in theory at least). There's no either/or here.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:28 pm to HempHead
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Currency, defense, education, and dispute resolution are the pillars of government monopoly at the moment. The second and fourth are, obviously, the most difficult to provide through private means. I don't have a very good answer for those
The fourth pillar specifically is why I believe a state is the inevitable result of your free market utopia. A unified and widely used currency is also practically necessary to facilitate trade. Obviously there's room for barter. Perhaps a currency just happens naturally with or without the state.
I find anarcho-capitalist to generally be a necessary voice in the discussion of functions of the state. The state tries to control nature to create better outcomes for those involved. As we find with all innovations to control nature, sometimes she already does it better and needs no control.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 4:48 pm to cokebottleag
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Please describe the differences between National Socialism and Soviet Socialism that don't involve race.
I'll wait.
I really wasn't talking about philosophy. Around WW1 the Communists and Fascists were bitter enemies that went all out to destroy each other. The Communist Party opposed Mussolini's views on Italy's participation in WW1. He left them and popped up later as a leader in the Fascists camp. He went from a Communist thug killing Fascists to a Fascist thug killing Communists. That's a 180.
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