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Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:24 am to MaroonMonsoon
Been there, done that. It gets better. I mean you'll still think about all the spoils of humanity, but it will be less impactful on your life. Let me guess, early 20's?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:46 am to Roger Klarvin
I'm not a big Christian but evolution does have holes.
Everything you see on it also skips the whole dinosaur phase of earth. Sure I believe species adapt, but hard to believe that all things came from amebas that learned to move.
Everything you see on it also skips the whole dinosaur phase of earth. Sure I believe species adapt, but hard to believe that all things came from amebas that learned to move.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 7:56 am to AtlantaLSUfan
There's never a time when something offically "becomes" something else. Just as on almost a quantum level, there's never a day when you change from middle aged to old aged. It doesn't happen overnight. But we're talking about something that happens over billions and billions of years. You can't even fathom 1000 years of change.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 7:57 am
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:26 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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I'm not a big Christian but evolution does have holes.
What holes?
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Everything you see on it also skips the whole dinosaur phase of earth.
I have never seen that party skipped. It's a pretty integral part.
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Sure I believe species adapt, but hard to believe that all things came from amebas that learned to move.
Why? All living organisms have DNA don't they? It's shared ancestry. You have DNA. I have DNA. A tree has DNA. So do mosquitoes. Fish. Bananas. Monkeys. Bacteria. Coral. Dogs. Cats. Alligators. Lions. Tigers. Bears. Carrots. Peas. Potatoes.
Why would DNA sequencing, random mutation, and natural selection be able to work in some areas, but not others? Is that what you believe the "holes" are? You can see how a monkey can turn in to a human, and a wolf in to a dog, but you can't see how a dinosaur turns in to a bird?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:31 am to TeLeFaWx
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Why? All living organisms have DNA don't they? It's shared ancestry. You have DNA. I have DNA. A tree has DNA. So do mosquitoes. Fish. Bananas. Monkeys. Bacteria. Coral. Dogs. Cats. Alligators. Lions. Tigers. Bears. Carrots. Peas. Potatoes.
Also, the DNA of every living thing on earth is related. This shows that every living thing came from a common source.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 10:40 am to Kentucker
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Also, the DNA of every living thing on earth is related. This shows that every living thing came from a common source.
God. Glad we can agree
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:17 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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God. Glad we can agree
What? Oh noz, I'm in agreement with V&S! I just got another month of purgatory tacked onto my afterlife. Damn.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:19 pm to Kentucker
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What? Oh noz, I'm in agreement with V&S! I just got another month of purgatory tacked onto my afterlife. Damn.
Meh, what's 1 month against eternity?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 12:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
I usually just avoid these arguments cause I don't have enough knowledge on the facts for either side but that was a weird time for Kurt to just throw his beliefs out there
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:06 pm to AUbagman
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It's disturbing some kids grow up told evolution is a myth, that is my only issue.
Who cares? Let people believe whatever they want to believe.
This obsession with cultivating how people think is more worrisome to me than Kurt Warner making a crack about evolution that lasted all of 3 seconds. Oh my God, Kurt Warner doesn't believe in evolution! This has absolutely no consequences for anything but let's freak out about it anyway!
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:50 am to GoBigOrange86
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Who cares? Let people believe whatever they want to believe.
I care for their sake. I never said I wanted to intervene, just said it disturbs me that scientific facts are taught as myths and blasphemy to some.
Regardless, I'm not forbidding any action by having an opinion. I don't know why some of you find that a hard concept to grasp.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 12:50 am to GoBigOrange86
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This has absolutely no consequences for anything but let's freak out about it anyway!
Yeah, religious fanatics have never carried out consequential actions.
/strawmanThis post was edited on 11/12/14 at 12:51 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:41 am to GoBigOrange86
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This has absolutely no consequences for anything but let's freak out about it anyway!
This is such a short-sighted view. Imagine if we took this approach to everything in science? Or history? Or mathematics?
Sure, one person believing falsehoods about the world around us is of no consequence. What separates us from people who lived hundreds and thousands of years ago however is our ability to not wallow in ignorance our whole lives. The advancement of knowledge and technology requires the suppression of blatantly false beliefs about the world we live in through education. Allowing people to just believe whatever they want free from challenge ultimately results in a society where knowledge is meaningless, because it becomes lost in a sea of ignorance.
The issue isn't that Kurt Warner believes evolution is a lie, it's that he will teach his children it is a lie. Those children will in turn do the same with their children, and so on and so forth. Now consider that there are MILLIONS who believe just as he does. Moreover, consider all the other false ideas about science and history that often accompany the belief that evolution is a lie.
The idea that you can just believe whatever you want because of religious ideology (or any ideology) and have it remain unchallenged is unhealthy for a society. Is everyone going to accept reality? Of course not, but it should be understood that if you choose to publicly espouse such beliefs that they will be met with resistance in the form of facts and evidence.
This post was edited on 11/12/14 at 1:45 am
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:44 am to Roger Klarvin
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This is such a short-sighted view. Imagine if we took this approach to everything in science? Or history? Or mathematics?
And this is a hyperbolic view.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
I don't believe so, as ignorance is rarely seen isolated to a single issue among individuals. Someone capable of denying evolution in the face of such overwhelming evidence is the kind of person capable of being convinced of literally anything.
Once we start saying that it's ok to just believe and espouse whatever you wish about the world around us, we have conceded that opinions are equal or superior to facts and evidence. Once we do that, knowledge and education becomes essentially meaningless, a wasted effort in which we say "Ok, here is how things are but go ahead and believe whatever you want".
Truth is truth only when untruth is attacked with it. When we stop fighting to propagate the truth, it ceases to have meaning.
Once we start saying that it's ok to just believe and espouse whatever you wish about the world around us, we have conceded that opinions are equal or superior to facts and evidence. Once we do that, knowledge and education becomes essentially meaningless, a wasted effort in which we say "Ok, here is how things are but go ahead and believe whatever you want".
Truth is truth only when untruth is attacked with it. When we stop fighting to propagate the truth, it ceases to have meaning.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 1:59 am to Roger Klarvin
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Someone capable of denying evolution in the face of such overwhelming evidence is the kind of person capable of being convinced of literally anything.
Incorrect. This is a biased reach on your part.
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Truth is truth only when untruth is attacked with it. When we stop fighting to propagate the truth, it ceases to have meaning.
You realize religious fanatics you're crusading against say the exact same thing.
And at the end of the day, none of this amounts to a hill of beans. Won't change a damn thing about the world in 2014.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:10 am to TbirdSpur2010
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You realize religious fanatics you're crusading against say the exact same thing.
Absolutely, the difference is the degree of evidence with each party can use to support their respective positions. Not all beliefs are equal in the face of critical examination.
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Won't change a damn thing about the world in 2014.
2014 is different from 1514 only because of the expansion of knowledge. Even the differences in our morals are the result of expanding knowledge about the world around us. The type of people who deny evolution are nothing new to human civilization, they are the same kind of people who we have had to drag kicking and screaming across the threshold of progress for centuries.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:15 am to Roger Klarvin
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2014 is different from 1514 only because of the expansion of knowledge.
None of which had to do with ascertaining the origins of the world.
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the difference is the degree of evidence with each party can use to support their respective positions.
When both parties reject the other's evidence as inadmissible, the impasse creates a natural bias against each other.
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Not all beliefs are equal
Beliefs are beliefs. Their equality depends on one's druthers coming into the debate.
Which, I say again, is still pointless.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 2:15 am to Roger Klarvin
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the differences in our morals are the result of expanding knowledge about the world around us. The type of people who deny evolution are nothing new to human civilization, they are the same kind of people who we have had to drag kicking and screaming across the threshold of progress for centuries.
You're extrapolating.
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