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Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:24 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I agree with Vols-taxes should be consumption based, not income based.
Why are consumption based taxes not theft but income based taxes are?
You might consider one to be fairer than the other but it's still a taking of your money.
Unless you use barter and/or are able to self produce everything you need without buying anything from anyone else ever.
Personally, I think taxes are necessary if we agree that government is necessary. If the government is necessary then we must have taxes to fund it. We won't all agree on what the government should spend money on but whatever the *majority* agrees the government should do needs to be funded. And today the fundamental problem we have is that the majority of us believe the government should do x, y and z but aren't willing to pay the full bill to provide x, y and z.
So, are taxes theft? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. What matters is we keep running up the tab and have too many jackasses doing the old dine and dash.
The older I get, the less ideological I get. Not just with politics. It's a matter of finances. I don't care what we spend money on so long as we agree on how to pay for it.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:36 pm to BrerTiger
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And today the fundamental problem we have is that the majority of us believe the government should do x, y and z but aren't willing to pay the full bill to provide x, y and z.
We're more than paying the full bill for x,y, and z. And government wants more, More, MORE. It is the beast that is never full and never done growing.
Personally, I get erect at the thought of government shutdown.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:44 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Taxation is coercion and violence. It is slavery.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:28 pm to Tropic Lightning
The US government (and state governments) could shrink by 50% manpower and still accomplish the same things it accomplishes today. That is wasted tax dollars.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
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The US government (and state governments) could shrink by 50% manpower and still accomplish the same things it accomplishes today.
The Federal Government could easily shrink by 50% and accomplish the same things.
The state governments on the other hand, I disagree with you there.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:38 pm to The Sultan of Swine
NO. Only because if I say yes I'll "mysteriously" disappear after big brother shows up at my house lol.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:45 pm to Duke
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It's fun watching someone first discover libertarianism.
The taxation as theft argument is tedious. The more interesting idea is the virtue of a more decentralized government.
I've been a libertarian for years. I was just curious as to how people would answer the question.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 7:56 pm to The Sultan of Swine
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 9/30/15 at 8:09 pm to Kraut Dawg
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Governments are a necessary evil to fund certain functions. Even the handouts given to our country's losers and apathetic isn't theft. It's plunder.
Just because something is "necessary" doesn't mean it's not theft
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:30 pm to The Sultan of Swine
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 11:07 am
Posted on 9/30/15 at 10:36 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Tax thread bro, you know what that means.
It's nekkid posting time
Posted on 10/1/15 at 12:56 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Is taxation theft?
Why or why not?
No, because the taxpayer indirectly consents to the taking. The government officials who vote to impose the tax are elected by the taxpayers to represent them. If they vote in someone who is not willing to abolish all taxes, then they are consenting to be taxed.
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