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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:50 pm to JoeMoTiger
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:50 pm to JoeMoTiger
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I think one of the most compelling reasons of God/intelligent design is the level of emotions in humans, think about it, if nature was the only controlling factor emotions would be very low on desirable traits for survival,
Things like oxytosin(bonding hormone), that are suited for survival, nursing, development and progression sort of speak to the opposite of this.
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:57 pm to DirtyDawg
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All the Bible tells us is that God wants us with him in eternity.
And it says the only way to get there is to believe in a fairy tale.
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For all we know God could be planning something far greater than we can comprehend.
Why plan something if you know the end? Omnipotence doesn't lead to creation. If God wanted humans in heaven, he would put them there. You don't create a Rube Goldberg machine if you don't know if it's going to work. Under your beliefs, God is all-knowing, all-seeing. He knows your fate before you're born. There is no mystery. He created and designed an imperfect world, so you could be imperfect, then experience perfection. That makes no sense.
In reality, our existence might not have a divine outcome. There can still be purpose without a reward. I fail to see why people can't grasp that.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 8:57 pm to TeLeFaWx
The fact that humans have emotions, feelings, and the level of intelligence to question the world is the number one reason they created a God or gods to begin with.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:00 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
IT
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:06 pm to nc14
So with all that has been said, does anyone believe that we are the only life forms in existence? And by we I mean the inhabitants of this planet
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:07 pm to NATidefan
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The fact that humans have emotions, feelings, and the level of intelligence to question the world is the number one reason they created a God or gods to begin with.
I'm not saying I don't believe in a God. I would love to be a Christian. It would be very socially convenient in Texas. But this speaks to what you're saying... emotion drives people to religion. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Religion is important to a lot of good people.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:13 pm to TeLeFaWx
I have no problem with religion, or believing in the existence of a God. I just don't think any of the Gods that have been presented to me by man are real. There may be a creator, but man created all the Gods we know of.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:18 pm to NATidefan
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I have no problem with religion, or believing in the existence of a God. I just don't think any of the Gods that have been presented to me by man are real. There may be a creator, but man created all the Gods we know of.
I agree.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:20 pm to NATidefan
And all these Christians bending the views on evolution, homosexuality, etc. are doing what has been done countless times over the existence of the religion. Bending the beliefs they were taught and creating their own beliefs to fit the situation. That's why there's like what, 30 or so known fractions of Christianity. And it's a fraction from Muslim and Judism. I think religions do a lot of good, and don't wanna see them go away, but damn do they have a naive group of followers.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 9:52 pm to MontyFranklyn
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So with all that has been said, does anyone believe that we are the only life forms in existence? And by we I mean the inhabitants of this planet
Based upon what we know about life as it exists on our only confirmed example, we can deduce that it is ubiquitous in similar circumstances. Just in our galaxy alone, there are billions of worlds where water is present in liquid form.
Therefore, it would seem certain that we will find life wherever there are conditions favorable to its chemical evolution.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:19 pm to MontyFranklyn
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I mean the inhabitants of this planet
I think we are dumbing down the human part of that equation
Single cell viruses probably exist all over space. plants are life forms too so yeah, somewhere in space stuff is growing.
When in doubt, just sing this song LINK
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:22 pm to deltaland
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I actually question Jesus' legitimacy more than God's. My studying of the Old vs New Testament and it's inconsistencies in teaching is why.
Congrats on the Judaism.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
LINK -- Kenneth Miller (A Catholic) absolutely destroying Intelligent Design. It's two hours long, but if you are really looking for answers -- transitional fossils, reasons behind ID (why it came about) and the trial that started off the IT vs. Evolution debate, this is the guy to listen to.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
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That random mutations
create beneficial biological outcomes.
That gets to be a sticky wicket. No one doesn't believe in random mutations.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:26 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Things like oxytosin(bonding hormone), that are suited for survival, nursing, development and progression sort of speak to the opposite of this.
No they don't. They provide a biological proximate cause. They explain nothing about human emotions with any practicality.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:27 pm to NATidefan
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And it's a fraction from Muslim.
Not big on the history, eh?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
So he's a Catholic who doesn't believe in God? Weird.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:34 pm to the808bass
I was saying that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all recognize the same God.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:36 pm to the808bass
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So he's a Catholic who doesn't believe in God? Weird.
A Catholic who believes in Evolution but not ID.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 10:59 pm to TeLeFaWx
Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
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I think one of the most compelling reasons of God/intelligent design is the level of emotions in humans, think about it, if nature was the only controlling factor emotions would be very low on desirable traits for survival,
Things like oxytosin(bonding hormone), that are suited for survival, nursing, development and progression sort of speak to the opposite of this.
Sorta, but not really, emotions are a weakness in pure survival, humans will risk their lives to save one another due to love, compassion, duty, etc. As an example, many insects will sacrifice life to protect their colony or hive but it's not at an individual basis. Some higher animals like elephants and dolphins will try to defend and protect family but I don't think they knowingly place themselves in live or death scenarios to save each other, I believe it's primarily instinctual behavior. Watch any animal around a wildfire, if a young one gets separated from momma in a wildfire momma aint going in to rescue the baby where as humans are driven by strong emotion to save the child in a burning building. These strong emotions have cost many people their lives but the animal who is not emotionally driven to save its baby from a wildfire survives and reproduces again.
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I think one of the most compelling reasons of God/intelligent design is the level of emotions in humans, think about it, if nature was the only controlling factor emotions would be very low on desirable traits for survival,
Things like oxytosin(bonding hormone), that are suited for survival, nursing, development and progression sort of speak to the opposite of this.
Sorta, but not really, emotions are a weakness in pure survival, humans will risk their lives to save one another due to love, compassion, duty, etc. As an example, many insects will sacrifice life to protect their colony or hive but it's not at an individual basis. Some higher animals like elephants and dolphins will try to defend and protect family but I don't think they knowingly place themselves in live or death scenarios to save each other, I believe it's primarily instinctual behavior. Watch any animal around a wildfire, if a young one gets separated from momma in a wildfire momma aint going in to rescue the baby where as humans are driven by strong emotion to save the child in a burning building. These strong emotions have cost many people their lives but the animal who is not emotionally driven to save its baby from a wildfire survives and reproduces again.
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